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RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality
June 27, 2014 at 7:32 pm
I always thought of faith as a form of positive thinking with an imaginary middle man.
Like with positive thinking, it works, but only if you keep changing the result you originally wanted.
Negative thinkers always change the result to be something they didn't want.
If your faith's not working, it's because you are being negative. :-)
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RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality
June 27, 2014 at 7:40 pm
(June 27, 2014 at 2:51 am)ignoramus Wrote: I am without faith for a reason. A very scientific reason.
Which is?
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"I think I use the term “radical” rather loosely, just for emphasis. If you describe yourself as “atheist,” some people will say, “Don’t you mean ‘agnostic’?” I have to reply that I really do mean atheist, I really do not believe that there is a god; in fact, I am convinced that there is not a god (a subtle difference). I see not a shred of evidence to suggest that there is one ... etc., etc. It’s easier to say that I am a radical atheist, just to signal that I really mean it, have thought about it a great deal, and that it’s an opinion I hold seriously." - Douglas Adams (and I echo the sentiment)
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RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality
June 27, 2014 at 9:52 pm
Jesus said that if a person has faith that he could tell a mountain to jump into the sea and the mountain would do as told. Based on that Jesus lied or else not one person in the history of humanity has ever had any real faith.
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RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality
June 27, 2014 at 10:29 pm
But I heard there are mountains under the sea.
How did they get there?
Checkmate Atheist. :-)
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RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality
June 27, 2014 at 11:20 pm
Having a lot of faith means embracing something without evidence. I still don't understand why someone that requires all proof when buying a new car, requires non for believing in a god
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RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality
June 28, 2014 at 12:38 am
(June 27, 2014 at 10:29 pm)Little lunch Wrote: But I heard there are mountains under the sea.
How did they get there?
Checkmate Atheist. :-)
Speaking of the sea some folks think that comets brought every drop of water to Earth. Isn't it amazing that there were all of those giant basins to put all of that water in? If there hadn't been any basins then the water wouldn't have had any place to collect in.
Can you demonstrate your faith to us by tossing a mountain into the sea? It will piss off the authorities but you can throw them into the sea if they become a problem for you.
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RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality
June 28, 2014 at 5:25 am
(June 26, 2014 at 7:39 pm)ManMachine Wrote: (June 24, 2014 at 2:10 am)BlackMason Wrote: You've heard people say it before, "I have faith" or so and so has a lot of faith. What does that mean really? What is having a lot of faith?
It would seem that having a lot of faith is the act of tenatiously rejecting reality. You walk out your house without an umbrella even though you've got big gray clouds in the sky. Is this faith?
If I keep telling myself that something unlikely to happen will, does that constitute faith?
When does faith become stupid? When do adults take responsibility for their own lives? Does someone who believes they can walk on water have more faith than somone who believes they will pass a test?
I remember being in a restuarant and a man came in and said he was a man of faith. He had an incredible sense of superiority. It's sad that a bold statement like that can be said with such gusto in 2014.
I think faith is directly proportional to irrationality.
I do not necessarily accept your rather narrow definition of faith.
On a topical note, a Brazilian having faith his national team will win the world cup is not irrational, while its not a guarantee the odds are pretty good.
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I posted this thread in this forum because I wanted to focus on the faith as mentioned in the bible. Had I wanted to include the other type of faith, I'd have posted this in a philosophy section.
8000 years before Jesus, the Egyptian god Horus said, "I am the way, the truth, the life."
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RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality
June 28, 2014 at 5:31 am
(June 27, 2014 at 11:20 pm)blackout94 Wrote: Having a lot of faith means embracing something without evidence.
embracing something without evidence.
The something you embrace is evidence for itself, right?
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RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality
June 28, 2014 at 9:17 am
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(June 27, 2014 at 2:39 am)fr0d0 Wrote: You have faith in your husband and that's strengthened with time. It's an intellectual assent leading to trust, just like religious faith.
Dude, it's not even in the same ball park.
(June 27, 2014 at 3:52 am)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: Man is an irrational creature at heart.
No. That's ludicrous.
8000 years before Jesus, the Egyptian god Horus said, "I am the way, the truth, the life."
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RE: Faith is a measure of irrationality
June 28, 2014 at 9:37 am
(June 28, 2014 at 5:31 am)Knowledge of God Wrote: (June 27, 2014 at 11:20 pm)blackout94 Wrote: Having a lot of faith means embracing something without evidence.
embracing something without evidence.
The something you embrace is evidence for itself, right?
Come back when you understand the contents of this article:
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/belief/
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