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RE: Is Rape Natural? Part 2, 2014 Edition
July 12, 2014 at 6:47 pm
(July 12, 2014 at 6:37 pm)Blackout Wrote: I didn't quite get it, you just mentioned sexual domination. Not only men fantasize about raping people. Not only woman fantasize about being raped. Both men and women may enjoy thinking about or playing consensually with either side of this scenario. What we think and want; and what we do by force are different. Both the desire and the restraint are natural.
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RE: Is Rape Natural? Part 2, 2014 Edition
July 12, 2014 at 6:50 pm
(July 12, 2014 at 6:47 pm)Jenny A Wrote: (July 12, 2014 at 6:37 pm)Blackout Wrote: I didn't quite get it, you just mentioned sexual domination. Not only men fantasize about raping people. Not only woman fantasize about being raped. Both men and women may enjoy thinking about or playing consensually with either side of this scenario. What we think and want; and what we do by force are different. Both the desire and the restraint are natural.
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Yes and that happens more frequently than we may think. After having some experiences and played the so called 'kinky questions game' with groups of friends, I noticed most of my female friends prefer being 'fucked rough' than like a princess, when I was younger I thought it was the opposite.
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RE: Is Rape Natural? Part 2, 2014 Edition
July 12, 2014 at 8:10 pm
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(July 12, 2014 at 6:25 pm)Jenny A Wrote: No, I doubt I'd be surprised by the number of men who enjoy rape fantasies, or even the number of women (smaller but still significant) who enjoy fantasizing about being raped (doesn't mean they'd enjoy the real deal). There's a whole porn market devoted to this topic. But I don't think it's as natural as consensual sex, at least not if natural means normative or even more commonly desired.
That's funny. From my own experience, I would have guessed more women entertain such fantasies. I don't personally find it erotic though I do enjoy some dominance fantasies. (The difference being, in my fantasies my partners pretty much have to beg for it,)
It would be interesting to know if there have been studies on this and whether it might be a function of age or even of the times into which one is born.
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RE: Is Rape Natural? Part 2, 2014 Edition
July 12, 2014 at 8:12 pm
(July 12, 2014 at 8:10 pm)whateverist Wrote: (July 12, 2014 at 6:25 pm)Jenny A Wrote: No, I doubt I'd be surprised by the number of men who enjoy rape fantasies, or even the number of women (smaller but still significant) who enjoy fantasizing about being raped (doesn't mean they'd enjoy the real deal). There's a whole porn market devoted to this topic. But I don't think it's as natural as consensual sex, at least not if natural means normative or even more commonly desired.
That's funny. From my own experience, I would have guessed more women entertain such fantasies. I don't personally find it erotic though I do enjoy some dominance fantasies. (The difference being, in my fantasies my partners pretty much have to beg for it,)
It would be interesting to know if there have been studies on this and whether it might be a function of age or even of the times into which one is born. It could be, and social factors most likely.
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RE: Is Rape Natural? Part 2, 2014 Edition
July 12, 2014 at 8:23 pm
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(July 12, 2014 at 8:10 pm)whateverist Wrote: That's funny. From my own experience, I would have guessed more women entertain such fantasies. I don't personally find it erotic though I do enjoy some dominance fantasies. (The difference being, in my fantasies my partners pretty much have to beg for it,)
It would be interesting to know if there have been studies on this and whether it might be a function of age or even of the times into which one is born.
Which? Men fantasizing about raping and women fantasying about being raped; or woman fantasizing about raping and men fantasizing about being raped? The former is more common but neither is that horribly unusual.
I don't actually fantasize rape. Dominance I do. And with permission practice it. Being dominated, not quite so much. Sex and violence do seem to be uncomfortably entwined in the human psyche.
(July 12, 2014 at 8:12 pm)Blackout Wrote: (July 12, 2014 at 8:10 pm)whateverist Wrote: It would be interesting to know if there have been studies on this and whether it might be a function of age or even of the times into which one is born. It could be, and social factors most likely.
I'd be tempted to say evolutionary factors too.
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RE: Is Rape Natural? Part 2, 2014 Edition
July 12, 2014 at 8:41 pm
(July 12, 2014 at 8:23 pm)Jenny A Wrote: (July 12, 2014 at 8:10 pm)whateverist Wrote: That's funny. From my own experience, I would have guessed more women entertain such fantasies.
Which? Men fantasizing about raping and women fantasying about being raped; or woman fantasizing about raping and men fantasizing about being raped? The former is more common but neither is that horribly unusual.
Are you sure? It doesn't float my boat to be on either end of a rape fantasy. But I've known a few women who did enjoy being the fantasy at least of being raped. It is also what I gather from talking to women. Then again, I rarely talk with men about such things.
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RE: Is Rape Natural? Part 2, 2014 Edition
July 12, 2014 at 8:54 pm
(July 12, 2014 at 8:41 pm)whateverist Wrote: (July 12, 2014 at 8:23 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Which? Men fantasizing about raping and women fantasying about being raped; or woman fantasizing about raping and men fantasizing about being raped? The former is more common but neither is that horribly unusual.
Are you sure? It doesn't float my boat to be on either end of a rape fantasy. But I've known a few women who did enjoy being the fantasy at least of being raped. It is also what I gather from talking to women. Then again, I rarely talk with men about such things.
Yeah *blushes* pretty darn sure.
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RE: Is Rape Natural? Part 2, 2014 Edition
July 12, 2014 at 8:59 pm
(July 12, 2014 at 8:54 pm)Jenny A Wrote: (July 12, 2014 at 8:41 pm)whateverist Wrote: Are you sure? It doesn't float my boat to be on either end of a rape fantasy. But I've known a few women who did enjoy being the fantasy at least of being raped. It is also what I gather from talking to women. Then again, I rarely talk with men about such things.
Yeah *blushes* pretty darn sure.
I'll be honest, I'm very fond of being violent during sexual intercourse, in moderation, and I don't think it has affected me or my relationship, it's just how my instincts go. It certainly doesn't relate to my personality since I'm a very calm and collected person. It can be healthy if used appropriately.
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RE: Is Rape Natural? Part 2, 2014 Edition
July 12, 2014 at 9:28 pm
(July 12, 2014 at 5:00 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Maybe the question ought to be are men biologically programed to rape, and if so are there any biological deterrents to that programing? I think the answers are yes, and yes.
[BTW, just to get this out of the way because it's sure to come up and I don't want it to be a gotcha, I was raped at at twelve. It was unusual because he was not a man I knew and I was hiking not walking through a dark and dangerous neighborhood. I don't think this gives me any special insight as to why men rape. I think my particular rapist was opportunistic. I'm also am pretty sure he didn't know I was anywhere near as young as twelve. People asked me what my major was that same year. ]
The thing is men are programed to fuck. And it that regard we are very well programmed. How ever the question shouldn't be phrased are why men rape, but why people rape. Women do rape as well just cases involving men are usually more gratuitously violent. However while the urge to fuck and thus rape is perfectly natural, so is the urge to kill rapists, hence every culture ever conceived has very strong taboos on rape.
So yes the urge to fuck is natural, but so is the urge to protect others from.emotional harm.
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RE: Is Rape Natural? Part 2, 2014 Edition
July 12, 2014 at 9:34 pm
(July 12, 2014 at 9:28 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: (July 12, 2014 at 5:00 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Maybe the question ought to be are men biologically programed to rape, and if so are there any biological deterrents to that programing? I think the answers are yes, and yes.
[BTW, just to get this out of the way because it's sure to come up and I don't want it to be a gotcha, I was raped at at twelve. It was unusual because he was not a man I knew and I was hiking not walking through a dark and dangerous neighborhood. I don't think this gives me any special insight as to why men rape. I think my particular rapist was opportunistic. I'm also am pretty sure he didn't know I was anywhere near as young as twelve. People asked me what my major was that same year. ]
The thing is men are programed to fuck. And it that regard we are very well programmed. How ever the question shouldn't be phrased are why men rape, but why people rape. Women do rape as well just cases involving men are usually more gratuitously violent. However while the urge to fuck and thus rape is perfectly natural, so is the urge to kill rapists, hence every culture ever conceived has very strong taboos on rape.
So yes the urge to fuck is natural, but so is the urge to protect others from.emotional harm.
Every culture regards rape as a taboo? In Islam rape is a crime practiced by women and punished by women, marital rape is legal... I don't think all cultures condemn rape entirely. Just look at India and the number of rape crimes, do you think it's random? Certainly not, a culture of patriarchy and submission is there.
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