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Is Rape Natural? Part 2, 2014 Edition
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  RE: Is Rape Natural? Part 2, 2014 Edition
July 12, 2014 at 3:41 pm
(This post was last modified: July 12, 2014 at 5:22 pm by Jenny A.)
(July 12, 2014 at 3:31 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: Nothing is more unnatural than medicine. If we all lived "naturally," most of us probably wouldn't make (or have made) it beyond our 40s, or worse, child birth.Actually developing medicine seems to be something humans do "naturally" along with developing all the tech it takes to live the way we do. As a species we are addicted to and dependent on tools. It's natural. We've been doing it over 200,000 years. I think much as the desire to rape (and occasionally actually doing it) is natural, so are the cultural prohibitions against it. We are the animals who create culture, morals, religions, tech and and other constructs beyond our biology. So while rape may be natural, so is punishing it.
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 (July 12, 2014 at 3:37 pm)Insanity Wrote:(July 12, 2014 at 3:35 pm)whateverist Wrote: Technically it depends on the purpose. If a cannibal kills in the service of procuring dinner I wouldn't call it murder. Nothing at all. Very natural in this case. Just not 'murder'.   (July 12, 2014 at 3:41 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Actually developing medicine seems to be something humans do "naturally" along with developing all the tech it takes to live the way we do. As a species we are addicted to and dependent on tools. It's natural. We've been doing over 200,000 years.Yes, natural in that sense, as even spaceships are natural in that sense, but not in the sense that you don't see other instances of it in the animal kingdom. Perhaps I am confused as to what would be "unnatural" under the considered definition.
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 (July 12, 2014 at 3:44 pm)Minimalist Wrote:(July 12, 2014 at 3:35 pm)whateverist Wrote: Technically it depends on the purpose. If a cannibal kills in the service of procuring dinner I wouldn't call it murder. The external act is still murder. There is no possible argue about that.
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Very well I will defer to the will of the majority regarding the proper use of murder. Of course, from the point of view of the cannibals it might not be seen as the unlawful killing of another person. That might vary between cultures. Fortunately the popularity of cannibalism seems to be waning.
(July 12, 2014 at 3:46 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote:(July 12, 2014 at 3:41 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Actually developing medicine seems to be something humans do "naturally" along with developing all the tech it takes to live the way we do. As a species we are addicted to and dependent on tools. It's natural. We've been doing over 200,000 years.Yes, natural in that sense, as even spaceships are natural in that sense, but not in the sense that you don't see other instances of it in the animal kingdom. Perhaps I am confused as to what would be "unnatural" under the considered definition. I think that's the problem with the whole discussion. It was the problem with the last one too. Until we have a good working discussion of natural, it's meaningless.
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