God's self esteem and the human free will : NO FORCED CONVERSION WITH THE SWORD

[JesusHChrist]

Self esteem is probably the biggest pillar in any "explanation" process ; in other words : the more you believe and trust in your abilities, the more credibility you get.
Heck, a person coming to you "shaking" and crying yet scream "I'M NOT SCARED" is of course giving a big blow to her/his credibility !

One thing that made me believe in Islam is the self esteem God has. Throughout the Quran, there is a constant theme : either you believd or not, god will exist, he always existed, he always shall.

The character of "God" you mean. When writing fiction, one can endow their characters with whatever attributes suit their dramatic purposes. Means nothing.

That is what Noah told his people when they wanted to kick him and his followers out for believing in god.
He had clear orders not to force faith upon anybody because simply : god is not begging for believers !

There is zero evidence any such Noah existed.

Another verse :
( 8 ) And Moses said, "If you should disbelieve, you and whoever is on the earth entirely - indeed, Allah is Free of need and Praiseworthy." page 256, Quran.

There is zero evidence any such character as Moses existed.

Until you can demonstrate these characters exist(ed), God, Noah, Moses, et al, we might as well be discussing the attributes of Obi Wan Kenobi or Darth Vader for all the relevance it has to reality.

[WinterHold]

If god doesn't need believers, why did he create human beings?

So that they live and enjoy life without causing misery and armageddon to others. And this cannot be achieved without worshiping god.

God created us to worship him. Worshipping god doesn't include bringing him food. It includes treating others well, building the universe, enjoying his blessings.

Do you get the relation ? worshiping god = living & enjoying life with peace, honesty & charity. That's how muslims worship god.

Bibliofagus

Erm what?

I saw a lot of people in my life who thought free will includes doing what they want.
Eventually they turned prisoners to drinking, drugs and other terrible stuff.

So, the real free will lies in constraining it with a godly code of ethics -i.e Quran-, or you will be the prisoner of something else..
Abusing the natural free will by using it openly will lead you to lose it.

Because muslims don't do violence right?

Muslims are humans & believe it or not : many don't even believe in these concepts.

Notice that if you brought the Quran as a ruling medium in the Middle East, everybody will fight you, including "ISIS and Al Qaeda".

Many Muslims don't follow the direct word of god -Quran-, believe it or not the majority think that the Quran alone is not valid ; it must be accompanied with the "Hadith".

and that is sir the source of Muslim violence. Some Hadiths are correct and match the Quran, but many many many other are forged and defy it, literally defy it, and has tons of violence that the Quran despises.

ShaMan

3:13 reminded me of Marylyn Manson's "Sweet Dreams" solo at first couple of seconds :S
Good song btw

Fidel_Castronaut


It actually includes embedded exclusivism ; but Islam states it clearly that if some people are practicing good ethics, we as Muslims must be fair and be a part of that good movement.

But no, I defy the vatican in that.. even if you did good without a believe in god, you're still a person who isn't on the right track

[Chad32]

Given the actions of this deity, why should we believe that worshiping him would leave us better off than if we hadn't? Atrocities are committed by every single group that ever existed. some of these atrocities are because of people wanting to live by what they believe their god wants them to do.

You have evil being done in the name of the bible/quran. You have good being done despite not reading either book. Like I said, there may be overlap, but those things are not synonymous.

[Cato]

I'm convinced. Where the fuck do I sign?

[professor]

Atlas, you really need to read the back of the Koran, where it says to kill the infidel, kill the Jew hiding behind a tree.
Mo started out kind of peaceful and as his teaching was rejected, he got real nasty.
Allah was one of 360 gods back there in Mecca, it was the family god of Mo.
He managed to kill off 539 false gods but missed one.

[ShaMan]

ETA: Head removed from ass.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Fidel_Castronaut


It actually includes embedded exclusivism ; but Islam states it clearly that if some people are practicing good ethics, we as Muslims must be fair and be a part of that good movement.

But no, I defy the vatican in that.. even if you did good without a believe in god, you're still a person who isn't on the right track

Well tough, you don't get a say on who or what you are. The Vatican says you're a de facto catholic, so that's what you are.

Enjoy purgatory. Oh they already got rid of that all those poor children.

Also, make sure your fame doesn't exceed your local vicinity otherwise when you die the Mormons will grab you and turn your corpse into one of them. Then you'd be so mixed up not even this allah chick could figure it out.

[Dystopia]

So you're pretty much saying people who don't believe in god lack free will and will sooner or later lose ethics... Cool stuff bro, tell me more about how Islam is right... In fact, why Islam» Why not Christianity or Odin?

[pocaracas]

Self esteem is probably the biggest pillar in any "explanation" process ; in other words : the more you believe and trust in your abilities, the more credibility you get.
Heck, a person coming to you "shaking" and crying yet scream "I'M NOT SCARED" is of course giving a big blow to her/his credibility !

One thing that made me believe in Islam is the self esteem God has. Throughout the Quran, there is a constant theme : either you believd or not, god will exist, he always existed, he always shall.

So that's why I don't think Harry Potter exists... he's always doubting himself and is a bit of a coward. I see...

But then... how can you explain Gimli, son of Gloin? He's also non-existent, but has a self-esteem that's right up there with the pros!

And why not include another dwarf, Tyrion, son of Tywin?

And Zeus was just awesome. No fear! And fondled with the ladies! What a guy!! Still.... non-existent.

I think I see a pattern, here: if we're talking about a character in a book, then chances are that it's non-existent.

[Dystopia]

Self esteem is probably the biggest pillar in any "explanation" process ; in other words : the more you believe and trust in your abilities, the more credibility you get.
Heck, a person coming to you "shaking" and crying yet scream "I'M NOT SCARED" is of course giving a big blow to her/his credibility !

One thing that made me believe in Islam is the self esteem God has. Throughout the Quran, there is a constant theme : either you believd or not, god will exist, he always existed, he always shall.

So that's why I don't think Harry Potter exists... he's always doubting himself and is a bit of a coward. I see...

But then... how can you explain Gimli, son of Gloin? He's also non-existent, but has a self-esteem that's right up there with the pros!

And why not include another dwarf, Tyrion, son of Tywin?

And Zeus was just awesome. No fear! And fondled with the ladies! What a guy!! Still.... non-existent.

I think I see a pattern, here: if we're talking about a character in a book, then chances are that it's non-existent.

Don't forget batman, batman rocks