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RE: Examples of the atrocities caused by non Muslims
July 17, 2014 at 4:09 pm
(July 17, 2014 at 1:39 pm)AtlasS Wrote: I have found a topic in the Islamic section, about the atrocities committed by Islam.
So I wanted to bring up atrocities committed by non Muslims. Just to be clear, your point is to remind us that when it comes to committing atrocities, Muslims aren't any different from anybody else?
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RE: Examples of the atrocities caused by non Muslims
July 17, 2014 at 4:11 pm
Oh boy, really hope we don't go down the "The religion had nothing to do with the crimes" rabbit hole.
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RE: Examples of the atrocities caused by non Muslims
July 17, 2014 at 4:38 pm
Committing atrocities is a human thing. Our species was doing it long before Christianity and Islam were invented and humans can find all kinds of excuses to kill their fellow humans. Religion is one major excuse along with political ideologies.
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RE: Examples of the atrocities caused by non Muslims
July 17, 2014 at 5:10 pm
(July 17, 2014 at 4:00 pm)AtlasS Wrote: pocaracas
I allowed myself to stalk the facebook pages you have in your signature ; lovely stuff -really, no sarcasm-. People should push each other towards peace not war ; Israelis are humans too, just like Palestinians.
If we made pace, honest peace, from both sides. err... signature? I don't have no stinkin' signature!!
Those links were part of the post!
(July 17, 2014 at 4:00 pm)AtlasS Wrote: I know this is not the topic, but eventually civilians die, and leaders get the loot ; resting their big fat heads behind thick defenses & fancy political meetings. Nobody pay the price of war but people. Because some of the people think it's a good idea to go to war for those big fat politician idiots.
(July 17, 2014 at 4:00 pm)AtlasS Wrote: About the video ; mmmm I'm sorry but this guy simplified stuff which aren't, it's bigger than mere pigs pigs is a start... it's a common point.
(July 17, 2014 at 4:00 pm)AtlasS Wrote: When people start to take this seriously, maybe then peace will last.. bring a guy who just lost his family in an air strike ; he wouldn't even have the mindset to listen to this. That's exactly what Tim said in the video: the cyclic nature of the violence.
It takes guts to stop that kind of violence... and it takes everyone to stop it... and to want to keep it stopped.
As long as there are brainwashed idiots who will kill because someone killed their friends and/or family, then it's a never-ending conflict.
(July 17, 2014 at 4:00 pm)AtlasS Wrote: But I feel you, you seek peace and that my friend is the correct path, you're on the right track. I seek peace and love too.
Then why did you start this thread?
What was the purpose?
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RE: Examples of the atrocities caused by non Muslims
July 18, 2014 at 2:25 pm
(July 17, 2014 at 4:09 pm)Tonus Wrote: Just to be clear, your point is to remind us that when it comes to committing atrocities, Muslims aren't any different from anybody else?
Exactly.
Committing atrocities is a human thing. Not "Islam" thing.
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It was always that "water source" or "the fertility of one land over another" that triggered and sparked long lasting wars and crimes ; with all reasons imaginable being thrown in the middle to give the killing a "meaning".
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Quote:err... signature? I don't have no stinkin' signature!!
Those links were part of the post!
I see
Quote:Because some of the people think it's a good idea to go to war for those big fat politician idiots.
Brainwashed fellas :/
Quote:pigs is a start... it's a common point.
I always remember Ahmed Deedat's -Allah Yer7amoh- talk about similarities between Islam & Judaism, it was astonishing.
Quote:That's exactly what Tim said in the video: the cyclic nature of the violence.
It takes guts to stop that kind of violence... and it takes everyone to stop it... and to want to keep it stopped.
As long as there are brainwashed idiots who will kill because someone killed their friends and/or family, then it's a never-ending conflict.
A cursed concept TBH, that of "go kill his children because he killed yours !".
Quote:Then why did you start this thread?
What was the purpose?
Because I felt a hostility towards Islam that is literally capable of creating a new set of hate felonies beyond description. Wanted to point out that many people either Muslims or not, commit crimes and then blame something else to cover up how evil they are. And people too without any knowledge start throwing accusations.
Kill a bunch of people and blame your brain "hey ! sorry but I was insane ! sorry take me to an asylum and free me after 2 years of medication ! sorry never gonna happen again".
Be a hateful sexist because you were never accepted by women, but instead of changing yourself, pour your hatred on women close to you, and stone them to death for defying you and then blame Allah -note : the quran doesn't contain a single word saying stone women to death- but whatever who cares ? whatever makes u sleep at night.
That's why I wrote the topic.
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RE: Examples of the atrocities caused by non Muslims
July 18, 2014 at 2:31 pm
(July 17, 2014 at 4:08 pm)AtlasS Wrote: Not pretty much..
I only specified this thread to show the crimes of non Muslims.
If it makes you feel any better, there are plenty of us who waste few opportunities to remind Christians of the countless crimes and atrocities followers of that religion have, and continue to, commit.
Quote:Bring me a video of ISIS mass executing people by beheading, you'll hear the same exact opinion from me.
I already saw them commit crimes, so ISIS can join the boat of humans who committed crimes but happened to practice a religion.
I don't think ISIS can join that boat, because I don't believe for a second that Islam is an inconsequential and incidental element in this group and its behavior.
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RE: Examples of the atrocities caused by non Muslims
July 18, 2014 at 5:36 pm
(July 17, 2014 at 4:08 pm)AtlasS Wrote: I already saw them commit crimes, so ISIS can join the boat of humans who committed crimes but happened to practice a religion..
Not a religion. Your religion.
If you're going to tout your ideology, you're also going to have to own the fact that others use it to justify massacring everyone else.
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RE: Examples of the atrocities caused by non Muslims
July 18, 2014 at 5:42 pm
(This post was last modified: July 18, 2014 at 5:43 pm by Mystical.)
(July 17, 2014 at 1:39 pm)AtlasS Wrote: Hello.
I have found a topic in the Islamic section, about the atrocities committed by Islam.
So I wanted to bring up atrocities committed by non Muslims.
The list is bigger than this. I only used one website.
There are other disgusting atrocities, in millions, all committed by non Muslims.
But the media always keep the scope on Muslims.
So fair.
Thanks for reading.
Thanks.. thanks for that.
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RE: Examples of the atrocities caused by non Muslims
July 18, 2014 at 7:59 pm
(This post was last modified: July 18, 2014 at 8:00 pm by Tonus.)
(July 18, 2014 at 2:25 pm)AtlasS Wrote: (July 17, 2014 at 4:09 pm)Tonus Wrote: Just to be clear, your point is to remind us that when it comes to committing atrocities, Muslims aren't any different from anybody else? Exactly.
Committing atrocities is a human thing. Not "Islam" thing. Indeed. Although I assume that the reason the atrocities committed by Muslims and/or in the name of Islam are listed is to show that religion doesn't seem capable of preventing the very worst human impulses. Sometimes it seems as if the more devout one becomes, the more likely that they'll find a way to use their religion as a justification for some truly horrifying acts. It's possible that those examples are being used as a response to the occasional claim that those who do not believe in god lack a moral anchor and are capable of the worst acts imaginable.
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RE: Examples of the atrocities caused by non Muslims
July 18, 2014 at 8:13 pm
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I don't see Allah doing anything about these problems.
It's just a bit odd that the longer a religion persists, the less intervening the god does. Also funny how they've gone full silent since the advent of reliable recording technology.
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