Atheism + revisited, anyone here also post there?

[Whateverist]

What does she have that I don't have?

Hehe you're hot too

[Hint: It's bewbies.]

But then again I have .. oh, never mind.

[Rampant.A.I.]

That said, the concept of privilege is a valid one, but when people over-use it the same way the religious right uses "liberal," "libtard," or any other "you disagree with me, therefore invalidating slur," it doesn't reinforce someone's position or make them seem more intelligent. It's just a proud display of uncompromising, narrow-minded bias.

Agree 100%. It's a conversation stopper.

Take for instance gender pay disparity. The often referenced study that results in a 17% pay disparity is significantly flawed in that it doesn't address real and valid variance driven by non-gender considerations such as direct comparison of work type/professions, education levels, relevant experience, and hours worked. When these items are taken into account there is still a 5% variance. Certainly not as bad, but something that should be addressed.

The problem is that honest dialogue doesn't happen because the "privileged" group will use the more accurate study to simply dismiss the claim while the extreme feminists will uncritically deny the merits of the new study claiming that it is only 'mansplaining'.

Mansplaining. Now there's another horrible buzzword.

As near as I can tell, radical feminists have subverted the philosophical idea of feminism, and no longer take input seriously if it originates from a source with a penis.

Which works in their favor: That sounds exactly like a chauvinist opinion of feminism, does it not?

Historical feminism had nothing to do with genitalia. It was a worldview not unlike Taoism. And yet, there is this "college feminist" movement, for lack of a better term, that simply relegates men to a subhuman order to balance the scales.

And I don't understand it, because I've never been a mindless, hormonal troglodyte. My best friends were lesbians, girls with a chip on their shoulder but a soft heart, self-identified feather-boa wearing, glitter eyeshadow-applying "faggots," 25 year-old woman who assured my 17 year-old female peers they "would've been lucky to meet a guy like me when I was their age," and a black woman who is now happily married, but still insists on referring to me as her "mancub."

I have turned down multiple threesomes, had Catholic girlfriends break up with me because I turned down sex out of respect for their religious beliefs. I had a 23-year-old woman strip in front of me when I was 17, pull on a dress and ask me to zip her up while bent over her dorm room mattress, and obliged while averting my eyes because I thought it was the respectful thing to do, and had the next year of my life destroyed because I "turned her down" and didn't fuck her.

I had three sets of dorm keys at the time. One from a woman I thought would be better off with another man I actively worked to set her up with, and the other two to women offering a place to crash between classes, and woke up to breasts pressed against my arm and back with a grin I didn't understand, just in time to make the next class.

I've been called a faggot in varying respects for half of my adult life, due to treating women with an irrational, unworldly amount of respect, that they don't even necessarily want.

I'm in my 30's now, and pulled out of it with a reputation for being "a player" because I was able to form lasting relationships with female friends, and other women assumed I was getting my dick wet.

I worked construction for a decade, and had to prove myself daily because of my slight frame. One of my biggest pleasures in life has been watching guys twice my body weight "try to help me carry" something so I don't "hurt myself," and finishing the job while they recover from a strained back.

The faggot jokes never stopped, until I was able to start putting on some weight.

Am I better than the women who practically raised me, including the 23 year-old photographer with flowing red hair who used to pick me up three nights a week for companionship at art galleries, reenacting the museum scenes from Ferris Beuler's Day Off, late-night drives, and laying on the back of her VW Fox, looking up at the stars, talking about life, and eventually how her relationship was going, before a 10-year lapse where she convinced herself I was only interested in her pussy, where I never once expressed interest in her that way before; but it suddenly became a point of contention?


Fuck no. I miss old friends.

The problem I have with pop radical feminism is that it ignores all of that.

I'm not special. My stories aren't unique. Tell me again how "all guys want the same thing," and are equally dismissible.

Because, really; all that tells me is that you haven't learned a damn thing, and aren't half as progressive as you think you are.

[LastPoet]

I think someone should make a movie out of all the genesis of the A+ movement, from ol'Rebecca Watson, PZ Myers, Richard Dawkins, Thunderf00t and all the idiots around freethoughtblogs(sic).

It would be a blast as a comedy.

[Whateverist]

I think someone should make a movie out of all the genesis of the A+ movement, from ol'Rebecca Watson, PZ Myers, Richard Dawkins, Thunderf00t and all the idiots around freethoughtblogs(sic).

It would be a blast as a comedy.

Oooh, say more. What do these people have to do with that horrible, soviet era ghost-town? Can you point me to any interesting reading?

[LastPoet]

I'll see if I can dig up some links.

We had those on another thread we had about this.

[LastPoet]

Can't find that link.

[Whateverist]

Can't find that link.

Thanks for looking. Maybe someone else will chime in.

[FatAndFaithless]

Has A+ ever acknowledged that it seems very divisive and elitist to many other people, and maybe try to change its policies or culture to encourage a more elagitarian environment? or do they just keep kicking at everyone else from their high horse?

[LastPoet]

The trouble is that they seem to be not very egalitarian in my perspective.

[Whateverist]

Has A+ ever acknowledged that it seems very divisive and elitist to many other people, and maybe try to change its policies or culture to encourage a more elagitarian environment? or do they just keep kicking at everyone else from their high horse?

Seems like the latter. Being so politically motivated it seems they take every word any one utters as motivated to have an effect which they or either for or against. If it's for, you're in. If it's against, you're simply the enemy and what you say doesn't need understanding beyond that necessary to sort your intent; then they'll go on to tell you what a tool of the machine you are or hurl invective.