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RE: Is Sam Harris becoming a pariah for the anti-religious cause?
July 29, 2014 at 1:55 pm
(July 29, 2014 at 1:39 pm)Minimalist Wrote: (July 28, 2014 at 11:09 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: I cannot help but think of the question as old as war itself. "It is okay to kill someone that is trying to kill you?"
Hamas talks about exterminating the jews. Israel is exterminating the Palestinians. Subtle distinction.
They have people strapping bombs on their backs to facilitate that. Not to mention how many times have they invaded isreal before the isreali's took gaza? Three time they invaded isreal with the intend of wiping it off the map. I think the real problem is Islam. We see shit like this everytime with the borders of islam. It's not just isreal, its east africa, burma, india, and chechnya too.
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RE: Is Sam Harris becoming a pariah for the anti-religious cause?
July 29, 2014 at 1:57 pm
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If they had our backing they'd be striking isreali targets with cruise missiles and f-16's. You work with what you've got.
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RE: Is Sam Harris becoming a pariah for the anti-religious cause?
July 29, 2014 at 2:19 pm
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Here's a video of Israel destroying an entire neighborhood in an hour: http://972mag.com/watch-civilians-have-n...aza/94518/
But hey, maybe there are #TerroristTunnels under there, so what else could they have done, right?
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RE: Is Sam Harris becoming a pariah for the anti-religious cause?
July 29, 2014 at 2:20 pm
(July 29, 2014 at 2:19 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: Here's a video of Israel destroying an entire neighborhood in an hour: http://972mag.com/watch-civilians-have-n...aza/94518/
But hey, there are #TerroristTunnels under there, so what else could they have done, right?
Fuck man are you like this about every topic? How about you calm down and think it through with your head.
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RE: Is Sam Harris becoming a pariah for the anti-religious cause?
July 29, 2014 at 2:27 pm
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(July 29, 2014 at 2:20 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: (July 29, 2014 at 2:19 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: Here's a video of Israel destroying an entire neighborhood in an hour: http://972mag.com/watch-civilians-have-n...aza/94518/
But hey, there are #TerroristTunnels under there, so what else could they have done, right?
Fuck man are you like this about every topic? How about you calm down and think it through with your head.
You can try to justify Israel's proficiency at massacring innocents any way you want. I, however, refuse to rationalize murder.
If Israel had actually sought to surgically and strategically immobilize Hamas, we wouldn't be having this discussion at all.
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RE: Is Sam Harris becoming a pariah for the anti-religious cause?
July 29, 2014 at 2:34 pm
(July 29, 2014 at 1:39 pm)Minimalist Wrote: (July 28, 2014 at 11:09 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: I cannot help but think of the question as old as war itself. "It is okay to kill someone that is trying to kill you?"
Hamas talks about exterminating the jews. Israel is exterminating the Palestinians. Subtle distinction.
You are making this about big vs small. When you think in terms of evolution humans are going to want to get rid of something they think is hurting them. If the roles were reversed based on deep seeded religious tribalism the other side would do the same.
Think in terms of evolution, not moment in time or labels. Otherwise our species will keep repeating the same abuse on our fellow humans.
Friend and foe alike meet the same fate. When you know the age of the planet, the universe, and it's size, and our very short blip so far, our species still has a long way to go to figure out what is really important.
I cannot chose sides in this because both sides are right and both sides are wrong. But the biggest core reason is the stupid idea of religious nationalism. Neither's religion were around 200,000 years ago and this planet and our solar system and the universe has no capability of giving one fuck who lives or dies. Only our species can save itself.
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RE: Is Sam Harris becoming a pariah for the anti-religious cause?
July 29, 2014 at 3:06 pm
(July 29, 2014 at 1:55 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: (July 29, 2014 at 1:39 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Hamas talks about exterminating the jews. Israel is exterminating the Palestinians. Subtle distinction.
They have people strapping bombs on their backs to facilitate that. Not to mention how many times have they invaded isreal before the isreali's took gaza? Three time they invaded isreal with the intend of wiping it off the map. I think the real problem is Islam. We see shit like this everytime with the borders of islam. It's not just isreal, its east africa, burma, india, and chechnya too.
What other weapon do they have? I recall...long ago...some israeli politician bitching that a Palestinian state would be a "dagger aimed at the heart of Israel." He was exactly right. And what fucking use is a dagger against 1,000 combat aircraft and 2,000 main battle tanks?
Once in a great while the Palestinians pull off a pin prick attack. Meanwhile the fucking Israelis murder thousands and scream "help, help... we're being attacked."
Fuck them. They are all murdering bastards.
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RE: Is Sam Harris becoming a pariah for the anti-religious cause?
July 29, 2014 at 6:11 pm
(July 29, 2014 at 1:57 pm)Rhythm Wrote: If they had our backing they'd be striking isreali targets with cruise missiles and f-16's. You work with what you've got.
Again, both sides are doing what humans do. You get punched, the other side punches back. The problem with both sides is the failure to look beyond borders and labels.
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RE: Is Sam Harris becoming a pariah for the anti-religious cause?
July 29, 2014 at 9:43 pm
(July 29, 2014 at 3:06 pm)Minimalist Wrote: What other weapon do they have? I recall...long ago...some israeli politician bitching that a Palestinian state would be a "dagger aimed at the heart of Israel." He was exactly right. And what fucking use is a dagger against 1,000 combat aircraft and 2,000 main battle tanks?
Can you imagine the conflageration if Hamas was armed like Israel? Curious. You chose to emphasize the dagger from the quoted metaphor, but conveniently left out where it was placed. You're not an idiot so I have to conclude that the omission was intentional in an attempt to make a cheap point. Using your analogy, Hamas strikes with a dagger knowing that the broadsword sent in return will strike an innocent bystander. Who's responsible?
(July 29, 2014 at 3:06 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Once in a great while the Palestinians pull off a pin prick attack. Meanwhile the fucking Israelis murder thousands and scream "help, help... we're being attacked." Would your opinion change if drug cartels in northern Mexico indiscriminately started launching rockets into Arizona? Would you measure response in civilian body count? Poor little drug cartel, they only have a dagger. How do you tell friend from foe?
There are three glaring issues with you Hamas aploogists...
1. You equate Hamas with Palastinians.
2. Moral equivocation of cause.
3. Your desire to deploy accountants instead of generals.
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RE: Is Sam Harris becoming a pariah for the anti-religious cause?
July 30, 2014 at 12:14 am
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(July 29, 2014 at 9:43 pm)Cato Wrote: Would you measure response in civilian body count? Yes.. of course..WTF. That would weigh immensely in my response ESPECIALLY considering their attack poses no significant threat. Sorry to disappoint though, Arizona is not walled off.
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