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RE: The Image Problem With Atheism in America
August 11, 2014 at 4:12 pm
(August 11, 2014 at 2:54 pm)LastPoet Wrote: Question is: do I feel lucky?
Answer: Yes, yes you may feel Luckie 
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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RE: The Image Problem With Atheism in America
August 11, 2014 at 4:16 pm
(August 11, 2014 at 3:47 pm)herewego Wrote: but anyway. the image problem is because of the way we act. I think you might want to narrow down that "we" a bit.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
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RE: The Image Problem With Atheism in America
August 11, 2014 at 4:42 pm
(August 11, 2014 at 3:23 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: I think if I accused you of being a liar without providing any evidence of such, and then ignoring any attempt to investigate my position; you wouldn't take that lying down either.
I would probably laugh at it and care little about such futile injectives. Every person is different, I guess. Even i it somehow offended me, it wouldn't warrant action from the staff.
From that objective point of view, the only action was to speedbump the thread in hope that the intervenients accrued time to cool their jets, to avoid further development of this flamewar, stuff that is part of forum moderation.
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RE: The Image Problem With Atheism in America
August 11, 2014 at 5:34 pm
This wasn't a flame war, the attacks were completely one sided.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
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RE: The Image Problem With Atheism in America
August 11, 2014 at 7:43 pm
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(August 10, 2014 at 11:27 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: (August 9, 2014 at 10:40 pm)Polaris Wrote: I lived 5 years south of the Mason-Dixon Line as I have previously stated [...]
Where, doing what, and when?
I studied at a university for three years in Washington D.C. beginning in 2006, lived just outside the city for another two years. I visited the NASA center in Huntsville, Alabama including the control room for the ISS, visited Virginia (as far south as Norfolk, even if I drove further south on a trip) many times as it was across the river (best spot in America is Williamsburg), visited North Carolina and thought the food was great and the people were less crazy than the Virginians (a surprise to me), went down to Florida to see Disney World (was not a fan of the rain down there). I also visited West Virginia a few times, a state I wasn't including earlier but then realized that it as well is south of the Mason-Dixon line.
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RE: The Image Problem With Atheism in America
August 11, 2014 at 8:03 pm
Hey Polaris, am I still a liar?
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
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RE: The Image Problem With Atheism in America
August 11, 2014 at 8:15 pm
(August 11, 2014 at 8:03 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: Hey Polaris, am I still a liar?
I already stated my case and based it upon your reactions to the customs of Moslem people. It is indeed Isampohobic to insult the customs of Moslems without any real purpose but to insult them as Minimalist did in a thread. You stated that you agreed with him and that it was not Islamophibc. Take it as you will.
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RE: The Image Problem With Atheism in America
August 11, 2014 at 8:45 pm
You have no idea what the word phobia means do you?
If the hypothetical idea of an afterlife means more to you than the objectively true reality we all share, then you deserve no respect.
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RE: The Image Problem With Atheism in America
August 11, 2014 at 9:30 pm
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(August 11, 2014 at 8:15 pm)Polaris Wrote: I already stated my case and based it upon your reactions to the customs of Moslem people. It is indeed Isampohobic to insult the customs of Moslems without any real purpose but to insult them as Minimalist did in a thread. You stated that you agreed with him and that it was not Islamophibc. Take it as you will.
What did I lie about? I still don't know because you still haven't told me.
I suppose it's pointless denying your accusations as you obviously haven't listened to me the last 3 or 4 times I have.
You think that insulting customs such as oppression of women, stonings, honour killings and suicide bombings are 'without any real purpose'?
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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RE: The Image Problem With Atheism in America
August 11, 2014 at 9:33 pm
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(August 11, 2014 at 8:45 pm)Godslayer Wrote: You have no idea what the word phobia means do you?
It's taken on a new definition when it was applied to homophobia (same definition change now used for Islamophia) or maybe it was the anti-gay people who changed the perception themselves from turning from being uneasy among homosexuals to flat-out hating and insulting them. Words constantly change in the English language.
Bad Wolf, Min insulted the women, not the men in his rant. He pulled a "be like us or get the fuck out" bullshit in that thread.
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