Why is Christ's death considered a sacrifice?

[vodkafan]

Lets not forget that he himself created the world and everything in it knowing this would happen! Its like someone setting a house on fire, rescuing the people inside, and then demanding they treat him as a hero and thank him for saving their lives. Also sacrifice means your facing limited options, in gods case why did anyone need to be sacrificed in the first place, seems he would of had an infinite number of possible solutions besides human sacrifice.

Mr.wizard, you have summed up exactly how I feel about this. The absurdity of this is what finally opened my eyes to the whole shebang a few years back. Also I have never found anybody who has been able to explain to me why skydaddy would need a sacrifice at all .

[Welsh cake]

We're having the discussion because you don't understand the meaning, or rather, insist on one narrow meaning.

Define "sacrifice" or go away alpha.

You may have all day to clown about, but I do not.

And no sir, you haven't read your Bible AT ALL. HE GAINED EVERYTHING. HE WAS REWARDED HANDSOMELY AFTER DOING HIS DEMENTED FATHER'S WILL.

John 5:22 "The Father doesn't judge anyone. He has entrusted judgment entirely to the Son

Ephesians 1:20
he exerted when he raised Christ from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms,

Acts 2:24
But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him.

Mark 16:19
After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God.

Romans 14:9
For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.

John 3:35
The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.

Daniel 7:14
He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

Luke 10:22
"All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows who the Son is except the Father, and no one knows who the Father is except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him."

John 17:2
For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him.

I'm virtually done talking to you. >__>

[FatAndFaithless]

Just a quick drive by post, but isn't Jesus God himself? How can one sacrifice himself to himself, unless it means God himself was dead for a few days? Its part of that triune god crap that I've never been able to get my head around.

[Minimalist]

Oh, my....you have unleashed the apologetic hounds with that one, F&F.

Good job.

[Ravenshire]

I disagree. When someone does something heroic for others, the resulting glory doesn't negate the heroism. You're quite the cynic.

If I make a sacrifice without knowing there will be a reward, that is far more noble than if I know there will be.

Your gawd-boy knew there would be a reward and exactly what the reward would be. It also knew it wasn't really going to die. Just kinda fake it.

When you know you're gonna get everything and the "sacrifice" isn't even permanent then yeah, the "heroism" is negated nicely.

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Sure it does. He had no sin and so deserved no punishment, yet took it for us.

I'm sorry, but of all the bullshit your cult teaches, this is among the most disturbing. The thought that it can ever be "just" for the innocent to be punished in place of the guilty is a vile, repugnant teaching.

[frasierc]

And no sir, you haven't read your Bible AT ALL. HE GAINED EVERYTHING. HE WAS REWARDED HANDSOMELY AFTER DOING HIS DEMENTED FATHER'S WILL.

John 5:22 "The Father doesn't judge anyone. He has entrusted judgment entirely to the Son

Ephesians 1:20
he exerted when he raised Christ from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms,

Acts 2:24
But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him.

Mark 16:19
After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God.

Romans 14:9
For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.

John 3:35
The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.

Daniel 7:14
He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

Luke 10:22
"All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows who the Son is except the Father, and no one knows who the Father is except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him."

John 17:2
For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him.

What I think you're missing is that Jesus had this glory before his death on the cross - so its not as if this is a pay off for him dying:

John 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

He's always had that glory before the world began.

[Cato]

And no sir, you haven't read your Bible AT ALL. HE GAINED EVERYTHING. HE WAS REWARDED HANDSOMELY AFTER DOING HIS DEMENTED FATHER'S WILL.

God is demented? I always suspected such, but never had my suspicion corroborated.

[frasierc]

God is demented? I always suspected such, but never had my suspicion corroborated.

Haha yeah I was quoting welsh cake - probably not clear from my post - still getting used to site only joined couple of days ago.

[Jenny A]

The three days of suffering.

Apparently in payment for billions of people not suffering for eternity. Interesting balance.

[Ryantology]

Show me where you've objectively proven the existence of your specific God...If you can prove that your specific god is objectively real, then ...

Therein lies your problem. You fail to accept 50% of reality.

Since when did fully half of reality exist only within the claustrophobic confines of your head?