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RE: Christians. Could you be wrong?
September 19, 2014 at 12:25 pm
(September 19, 2014 at 12:15 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: I have got evidence it is contained in the Bible therefore there is no point writing it cause you won't believe it.
Why should we take the bible at all seriously?
Quote:You still haven't answered my question.
The field of study you're asking about is called abiogenesis, and it has been demonstrated through experimentation that the building blocks of life can arise from non-living components. However, given what I'm about to say below, I'm not inclined to go any further into that.
Quote:Just because planets are moving apart it doesn't mean there was was an explosion.
It's clear from this that you don't know what any of the terms I used mean, and you didn't see fit to even look them up before deciding you disagree with them. How unfortunate. 
Because, see, I didn't mention universal or cosmic expansion at all, so... 
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RE: Christians. Could you be wrong?
September 19, 2014 at 12:29 pm
(September 19, 2014 at 12:15 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: I have got evidence it is contained in the Bible therefore there is no point writing it cause you won't believe it.
You still haven't answered my question.
Just because planets are moving apart it doesn't mean there was was an explosion.
Sure he did . The cosmic background radiation is one of the biggest pieces of evidence. ( The white noise on the radio or TV) It's existence was predicted before it was discovered. That shows that science works.
The bible as evidence! You're having a tin bath mate 
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RE: Christians. Could you be wrong?
September 19, 2014 at 12:32 pm
(September 19, 2014 at 12:25 pm)Esquilax Wrote: (September 19, 2014 at 12:15 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: I have got evidence it is contained in the Bible therefore there is no point writing it cause you won't believe it.
Why should we take the bible at all seriously?
Quote:You still haven't answered my question.
The field of study you're asking about is called abiogenesis, and it has been demonstrated through experimentation that the building blocks of life can arise from non-living components. However, given what I'm about to say below, I'm not inclined to go any further into that.
Quote:Just because planets are moving apart it doesn't mean there was was an explosion.
It's clear from this that you don't know what any of the terms I used mean, and you didn't see fit to even look them up before deciding you disagree with them. How unfortunate.
Because, see, I didn't mention universal or cosmic expansion at all, so... You mentioned redshift, which states the further a galaxy moves away the more redder it looks.
When typing this in to google I forgot the f in redshift. Lets just say they are two completely different topics.
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RE: Christians. Could you be wrong?
September 19, 2014 at 12:36 pm
Damn, I am at work and the system won't let me look for Redshit, whatever that may be....
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RE: Christians. Could you be wrong?
September 19, 2014 at 12:36 pm
(September 19, 2014 at 11:36 am)C4RM5 Wrote: So the Bible isn't an eyewitness acount of the Bible Or of anything else, with a few possible exceptions.
Quote:yet scienctist are still willing to believe in a big bang that no one was around to observe.
You sure you want to wander on that slippery slope? Because I'm wondering if you think it's okay to believe in things that no one was around to observe, or if you think it's crazy to do so.
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RE: Christians. Could you be wrong?
September 19, 2014 at 12:37 pm
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(September 19, 2014 at 12:36 pm)vodkafan Wrote: Damn, I am at work and the system won't let me look for Redshit, whatever that may be....
Yea after I typed it in I decided not to look at the images, just incase.
(September 19, 2014 at 12:36 pm)Tonus Wrote: (September 19, 2014 at 11:36 am)C4RM5 Wrote: So the Bible isn't an eyewitness acount of the Bible Or of anything else, with a few possible exceptions.
Quote:yet scienctist are still willing to believe in a big bang that no one was around to observe.
You sure you want to wander on that slippery slope? Because I'm wondering if you think it's okay to believe in things that no one was around to observe, or if you think it's crazy to do so.
I don't believe in the Big Bang.
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RE: Christians. Could you be wrong?
September 19, 2014 at 12:41 pm
(September 19, 2014 at 12:32 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: You mentioned redshift, which states the further a galaxy moves away the more redder it looks.
And for some reason you decided to focus on one piece of evidence and dismiss it for no reason, as if that makes all the others disappear?
See, it's a combination of multiple lines of evidence coming together; you're not going to be able to get around all of it by dismissing one piece of it... and dismissing is all you did do. You didn't provide any counter evidence, you just said "nuh uh!" I can't understand why you'd find that compelling.
Especially when you characterize the big bang as an "explosion" in that same breath, which again demonstrates how woefully uninformed you are on this topic. Wasn't an explosion, dude.
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RE: Christians. Could you be wrong?
September 19, 2014 at 12:42 pm
(September 19, 2014 at 12:09 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: (September 19, 2014 at 12:03 pm)Stimbo Wrote: We have evidence. Where's yours?
Where is my evidence for what?
Aren't you the one claiming the gospels were written by eyewitnesses?
(September 19, 2014 at 12:09 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: I have evidence, for example how did life come from none life. I believe God did it.
What you believe is irrelevant. What you can demonstrate and substantiate is all that counts. Belief is not evidence of anything other than that you believe it; and why should anyone else care?
However, let's entertain this belief for a moment. You say that "God" made life from non-life. Ok - how? By what mechanism or means? Can it be replicated? What is its predictive capacity and its usefulness?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Christians. Could you be wrong?
September 19, 2014 at 12:43 pm
(September 19, 2014 at 12:37 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: I don't believe in the Big Bang. Your evasion doesn't make that slope any less slick... Slick.
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RE: Christians. Could you be wrong?
September 19, 2014 at 12:46 pm
(This post was last modified: September 19, 2014 at 12:52 pm by C4RM5.)
(September 19, 2014 at 12:42 pm)Stimbo Wrote: (September 19, 2014 at 12:09 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: Where is my evidence for what?
Aren't you the one claiming the gospels were written by eyewitnesses?
(September 19, 2014 at 12:09 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: I have evidence, for example how did life come from none life. I believe God did it.
What you believe is irrelevant. What you can demonstrate and substantiate is all that counts. Belief is not evidence of anything other than that you believe it; and why should anyone else care?
However, let's entertain this belief for a moment. You say that "God" made life from non-life. Ok - how? By what mechanism or means? Can it be replicated? What is its predictive capacity and its usefulness? It cannot be replicated by humans because God is God and humans are no where near a powerful. Any way you cannot replicate life from non life.
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