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RE: Identifying the word of god
August 18, 2014 at 11:08 am
(August 18, 2014 at 7:15 am)robvalue Wrote: I think that's the very first time I've heard a religious person say that, and I respect that a lot. Your view of religion and holy books certainly seems very different to the norm, and it seems far better to me. Michael's perspective is very representative of Christianity in the UK. Enlightenment values and secular organisation of society have left a lasting impact on religious expression.
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RE: Identifying the word of god
August 18, 2014 at 11:10 am
The real book of god was buried by nazi communists in central park, NYC.
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RE: Identifying the word of god
August 18, 2014 at 3:20 pm
(August 18, 2014 at 11:08 am)Ben Davis Wrote: (August 18, 2014 at 7:15 am)robvalue Wrote: I think that's the very first time I've heard a religious person say that, and I respect that a lot. Your view of religion and holy books certainly seems very different to the norm, and it seems far better to me. Michael's perspective is very representative of Christianity in the UK. Enlightenment values and secular organisation of society have left a lasting impact on religious expression.
Hey Ben. Did you have to burst the bubble so soon? There I was, basking in the idea that I was somehow special. And then you come along and blow the gaff by letting everyone know that actually I'm just extraordinarily ordinary in UK Christianity.
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RE: Identifying the word of god
August 18, 2014 at 3:34 pm
When is it [god], and when is it our own preferences?
I have a few Christian friends. One in particular has an annoying habit of believing that whenever things are going as he wants that god is with him and whenever things are going against him that the devil is responsible. An example would be when he lost his wallet. He said that the 'enemy' was trying to rob his joy, and that satan didn't want him to be able to go on a road-trip, and so his wallet containing his license, credit cards and cash was stolen to prevent him from going. Well, well, well... he found his 'stolen' wallet exactly where HE left it and took the trip, and wouldn't you know it, god was once again 'with' him. Oh yeah, the trip was for a Christian rally concert where the admission for receiving god's goodness and teaching was available at the low, low price of $95 per person for a 4 hour event.
Seems to me like satan wanted him to go after all
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RE: Identifying the word of god
August 18, 2014 at 3:52 pm
Logical consistency (both internal and between the two texts)
Textual Criticism
Historicity
Testimony
Personal experience
More information on your question could be explored here namely post #21 to begin. The question is a bit different but there are some similarities in the content.
As I was considering your question, I was wondering if the question is answerable? In your proposition, 'given two texts, one authentic and one counterfeit', you ask: how do we know the counterfeit from the authentic? To answer this we would need a standard with which to measure the two against. The standard in this proposition would be the word of God, but that is the very item in question. How would you propose determining the standard itself? Let me ask this another way. I hand you two $1 bills, one is authentic and one is counterfeit. Given only those two bills, how would you determine which one is fake?
If it could be proven beyond doubt that God exists...
and that He is the one spoken of in the Bible...
would you repent of your sins and place your faith in Jesus Christ?
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RE: Identifying the word of god
August 18, 2014 at 6:32 pm
Your example is representative neither of reality, or of the subject to which you wish to draw an analogy.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Identifying the word of god
August 19, 2014 at 4:53 am
Nobady can see the word of god but everyone having imagination power. People draw the images in which god is present only to imagine the god word. Every people having imagination power but no body can use this power in same manner. For example you can pick a general topic in your daily family and share it with your family member or friends they can understand their topic and provide different different option to over come with your situation, that's because they have mind but they used differently. Every people having different opinion for god's.
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RE: Identifying the word of god
August 19, 2014 at 5:10 am
(August 19, 2014 at 4:53 am)ronwilliams Wrote: Nobady can see the word of god but everyone having imagination power. People draw the images in which god is present only to imagine the god word. Every people having imagination power but no body can use this power in same manner. For example you can pick a general topic in your daily family and share it with your family member or friends they can understand their topic and provide different different option to over come with your situation, that's because they have mind but they used differently. Every people having different opinion for god's.
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RE: Identifying the word of god
August 19, 2014 at 10:26 am
(This post was last modified: August 19, 2014 at 10:56 am by robvalue.)
As I was considering your question, I was wondering if the question is answerable? In your proposition, 'given two texts, one authentic and one counterfeit', you ask: how do we know the counterfeit from the authentic? To answer this we would need a standard with which to measure the two against. The standard in this proposition would be the word of God, but that is the very item in question. How would you propose determining the standard itself?
That is pretty much the thought process I was trying to get at  In my opinion the question is not answerable, and that is the point. It's the process you would use that is important, and how that applies to the real situation we have in religion. Take away the assumption that any of them are in fact the word of god for sure, and you are there. We don't have a word of god to compare to, because you have to assume something is the word of god in order to "prove" that it is, by comparing it with itself- which makes no sense.
If the word of god is "self evident", then it should still be so even if you had all memory of what you know about the book removed from your brain first, so even the names wouldn't mean anything to you. Hence my example.
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RE: Identifying the word of god
August 19, 2014 at 11:03 am
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