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RE: Do theists usually lack developed character?
April 19, 2015 at 10:09 am
(August 20, 2014 at 1:46 am)PhiloTech Wrote: I don't know how to correlate this to religion but I notice it every time. I am not judging any of these people by their religion but instead I am reflecting back on their behavior.
In my opinion it's a chicken/egg question. I rather tend to believe that these are people looking for an anchor in their lives. They want to be taken by the hand and led every step of the way. And of course such people are easily manipulated to buy and execute every dogma put forward.
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RE: Do theists usually lack developed character?
April 20, 2015 at 11:11 am
(April 19, 2015 at 7:57 am)Alex K Wrote: (April 18, 2015 at 12:50 pm)alpha male Wrote: Sure, but I've never met someone who was sinless except for that, and the claim I responded to said "just for."
Sorry I didn't mean to misrepresent what you said. So what do you mean by that?!
I mean people sin in many ways and are judged for all their sins, so quit saying that they're damned only for unbelief.
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RE: Do theists usually lack developed character?
April 20, 2015 at 11:12 am
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(April 20, 2015 at 11:11 am)alpha male Wrote: (April 19, 2015 at 7:57 am)Alex K Wrote: Sorry I didn't mean to misrepresent what you said. So what do you mean by that?! I mean people sin in many ways and are judged for all their sins, so quit saying that they're damned only for unbelief. But denying the holy spirit alone is sufficient for being damned according to the bible!
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
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RE: Do theists usually lack developed character?
April 20, 2015 at 11:27 am
(April 20, 2015 at 11:12 am)Alex K Wrote: (April 20, 2015 at 11:11 am)alpha male Wrote: I mean people sin in many ways and are judged for all their sins, so quit saying that they're damned only for unbelief. But denying the holy spirit alone is sufficient for being damned according to the bible!
Yes...and!?!
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RE: Do theists usually lack developed character?
April 20, 2015 at 11:33 am
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(April 18, 2015 at 6:59 am)alpha male Wrote: (April 18, 2015 at 5:37 am)robvalue Wrote: If there is a genuine correlation, it could just as easily be that people with serious character flaws are drawn to religion in the first place.
But really, the more religious someone is, the more they believe in their doctrines (for the big religions anyway) the more they must think I'm unworthy and am going to be punished just for "refusing to believe" while giving me no good reason that I should believe. Er, no, I don't think you'll be punished just for "refusing to believe." You'll be punished for all your sins. As James notes, the demons believe in the existence of God. They'll still be punished. ^ Here you argue against robvalue, essentially telling him that he is not going to be punished merely for refusing to believe. Now you admit that he would be punished for refusing to believe alone.
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RE: Do theists usually lack developed character?
April 20, 2015 at 12:23 pm
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(April 19, 2015 at 10:09 am)abaris Wrote: (August 20, 2014 at 1:46 am)PhiloTech Wrote: I don't know how to correlate this to religion but I notice it every time. I am not judging any of these people by their religion but instead I am reflecting back on their behavior. In my opinion it's a chicken/egg question. I rather tend to believe that these are people looking for an anchor in their lives. They want to be taken by the hand and led every step of the way. And of course such people are easily manipulated to buy and execute every dogma put forward. Given that the biggest predictor of religious affiliation is the affiliation of one's family, I find it a stretch to suggest that there are unique traits to religious people such as 'looking for an anchor' which differentiate them from ordinary folks. Rather I find that major differences of opinion often lead to 'explanations' that are little more than crass stereotypes. When people separated by a large divide confront each other, emotions flare, leading to all sorts of mistaken judgements, on both sides.
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RE: Do theists usually lack developed character?
April 20, 2015 at 12:32 pm
(April 20, 2015 at 11:33 am)Alex K Wrote: (April 18, 2015 at 6:59 am)alpha male Wrote: Er, no, I don't think you'll be punished just for "refusing to believe." You'll be punished for all your sins. As James notes, the demons believe in the existence of God. They'll still be punished. ^ Here you argue against robvalue, essentially telling him that he is not going to be punished merely for refusing to believe. Now you admit that he would be punished for refusing to believe alone.
And as he has sinned in other ways, he will not be punished just for refusing to believe.
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RE: Do theists usually lack developed character?
April 20, 2015 at 12:35 pm
(April 20, 2015 at 12:32 pm)alpha male Wrote: he will not be punished just for refusing to believe.
(April 20, 2015 at 11:27 am)alpha male Wrote: (April 20, 2015 at 11:12 am)Alex K Wrote: But denying the holy spirit alone is sufficient for being damned according to the bible!
Yes...and!?!
Are you being obviously obtuse here, or am I missing something?
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RE: Do theists usually lack developed character?
April 20, 2015 at 12:51 pm
(April 20, 2015 at 12:35 pm)Alex K Wrote: (April 20, 2015 at 12:32 pm)alpha male Wrote: he will not be punished just for refusing to believe.
(April 20, 2015 at 11:27 am)alpha male Wrote: Yes...and!?!
Are you being obviously obtuse here, or am I missing something?
As far as I can tell, you're missing a point to your argument.
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RE: Do theists usually lack developed character?
April 20, 2015 at 12:52 pm
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(April 20, 2015 at 12:51 pm)alpha male Wrote: (April 20, 2015 at 12:35 pm)Alex K Wrote: Are you being obviously obtuse here, or am I missing something? As far as I can tell, you're missing a point to your argument. That you are blatantly in contradiction with yourself?
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
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