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RE: Oh Come On!!! Damn you Ken Ham!
August 27, 2014 at 10:03 pm
(August 27, 2014 at 5:12 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Why would a non-Christian want to work at the Ark exhibit?
Don't know about you, but I've worked shitty jobs for shitty people to pay the bills until I could find something better. Or can't you imagine that a non-christer might want to actually pay bills?
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RE: Oh Come On!!! Damn you Ken Ham!
August 27, 2014 at 11:09 pm
(August 27, 2014 at 9:26 pm)Blackout Wrote: (August 27, 2014 at 8:35 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: No problem - and you know, despite all your country's problems, it's my second home. I just get tired of the "Americans are dumb, hurt durr" meme. Yeah, many of us are fucked up, and certainly our national politics are shit, but it's shitty to tar all of us with that brush, much as it is to tar Mexicans as lazy welfare cases, because it just isn't so.
May I ask why a second home? 
I agree, stereotyping is dangerous, even when we're talking about religious people it's irrational to lump them all into one category. I guess the american stereotype comes more from the south.
For the last 20+ years I have vacationed in Mexico - not in the Americanized tourist zones but in the less traveled areas (though some are still filled with gringos). I usually spend 2-3 weeks a year down there. What I love most about Mexico is the warmth of it's people. Yeah, I get that some of that is the gratitute for American dollars, but it either goes beyond that, or I'm a terrible judge and f character - and I'd hate to think it was the latter.
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August 28, 2014 at 2:32 am
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RE: Oh Come On!!! Damn you Ken Ham!
August 28, 2014 at 5:26 am
Around here, Portugal, it is unconstitutional to discriminate people based on religion belief. This means that you, as an employer, must accept everyone's applications for a job and then filter out those who don't fulfill your criteria. These criteria must be present in the job ad...
I can see that this would make it difficult for this museum in particular... then again, I think even museums must apply for some permission to operate and this kind of museum would probably never get such a permission around here.
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RE: Oh Come On!!! Damn you Ken Ham!
August 28, 2014 at 8:42 am
(August 28, 2014 at 5:26 am)pocaracas Wrote: Around here, Portugal, it is unconstitutional to discriminate people based on religion belief. This means that you, as an employer, must accept everyone's applications for a job and then filter out those who don't fulfill your criteria. These criteria must be present in the job ad...
I can see that this would make it difficult for this museum in particular... then again, I think even museums must apply for some permission to operate and this kind of museum would probably never get such a permission around here.
In my opinion there is no problem in allowing creation museums, they may be stupid and probably no one would try to create one, but I don't think it should be illegal to legalize it - I agree with the constitutional part, our article 13th is very clear
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RE: Oh Come On!!! Damn you Ken Ham!
August 28, 2014 at 8:54 am
You don't have to support the philosophical ideals of a place to work there, as long as you're able to do your job and not be disruptive. I don't see why a creation museum would be worried about the religious views of the guy who wants to sweep the floors or stand guard at night. I suppose they might be concerned that their IT personnel could abuse their access and control if they were ideologically opposed to such a place, but there are laws designed to deal with that sort of misbehavior. And of course nothing stops those lawless atheists from pretending to be true believers in order to wreak havoc!
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RE: Oh Come On!!! Damn you Ken Ham!
August 28, 2014 at 9:28 am
They would want to work there for money. When you need to eat and pay rent, a disagreement over ideologies is less important than being able to pay a grocery bill. And if Ham accepts the tax break he will have to allow gays and atheists to work at his park, as per anti-discrimination law.
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RE: Oh Come On!!! Damn you Ken Ham!
August 28, 2014 at 11:33 am
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(August 27, 2014 at 6:01 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: (August 27, 2014 at 5:22 pm)ManMachine Wrote: You Americans are crazy...
If valuing the freedom of ideas and thought makes someone crazy, then you’re right, Americans are crazy. However, being crazy has gotten us quite far in the world.
People with no water value water, I can see why you might value ideas and thought.
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August 28, 2014 at 12:21 pm
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(August 27, 2014 at 7:33 pm)Zidneya Wrote: Well I think all of us here can agree that Americans are really one piece of work. Please, since you've taken the time to make a post, take another moment to explain your apparently bigoted generalization.
(August 27, 2014 at 8:04 pm)Zidneya Wrote: Because I hate my country. Oh, I see now. Projecting your hatred onto others... got it. Thanks.
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RE: Oh Come On!!! Damn you Ken Ham!
August 28, 2014 at 12:51 pm
We Americans are no different from any other people in the world in that you get what your country invests in and who is really running it.
If you live in a country that slashes the public education budget, you get a "dumbed down" public. It's only gotten worse with "no child left behind".
If you live in a country where 6 major corporations control most of the media, all of which have an interest to spin the news in favor of corporate interests, you get an uninformed public.
If you live in a country were religion is so dominant, you get a superstitious public.
So it would be with any other people. I'm not better than any of my fellow Americans. I'm just lucky to have gone to a private school, be informed enough to look to foreign media sources to round out my understanding of world events and to have been raised without religion.
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