Why we need a mandatory living wage:

[Dystopia]

I think a good quality of any pro-capitalist person as myself, and as most people (to an extent) is to admit capitalism is by nature imperfect and needs urgent corrections - Capitalism doesn't work by itself, instead a mixed economy with government intervention + capitalism, something that reaches a nice equilibrium - That is something worth fighting more, and it keeps us away from extreme positions.

By pro-capitalism, I don't mean the type of 'greedy, fuck the rest of the world' capitalism, but simply respecting freedom of economy and people's right to form a company and compete in the market - Something I've thought of doing, but I don't have ideas yet.

Not having a minimum wage is completely idiotic, unless it's Sweden or Norway, where unions are so strong that a minimum legal wage is not even a necessity since most people can afford basic human necessities.

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(because you know, tyrants should have to earn their position through hard work!)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/07/01...-Greenwald

“The Koch Brothers Exposed”

The brothers inherited their wealth from their father Fred. The elder Koch made money on oil in the USSR in the 1930s, when he was brought in by Stalin to build pipelines. He leveraged that money to develop an oil business in the United States. Fred became active in the support of right wing causes, most prominently The John Birch Society.

Bullshit artists is what they are.

Those people certainly didn't work hard - But that doesn't mean they can't inherit wealth - It's perfectly legal.

[bladevalant546]

I was in the military they all the information they need from me XD. Blackout, I wished most did think like you. However, just a lot of other economic and political systems. I think capitalism as we define it is going to die out. I believe the dagger will be technology.

[Chad32]

I think a mix of capitalism and socialism is best. From what I hear, that's what the best countries have.

[Dystopia]

I was in the military they all the information they need from me XD. Blackout, I wished most did think like you. However, just a lot of other economic and political systems. I think capitalism as we define it is going to die out. I believe the dagger will be technology.

Most people are minimally capitalist, they want to be able to freely trade items and they want to be able to open companies. I want a balanced society, nothing more, nothing less... A completely socialist or capitalist society would restrict freedom one way or the other - Instead both systems should complement each other - Instead of just insulting the other part by saying things like 'Oh capitalism is just exploitation' or 'Socialism is just living of hardworking people' we should acknowledge the benefits both systems bring - In my case I think like this because my dad was an employer, a pro-capitalism person (small company he owned, 15 employees I think), and a great company owner, he used to pay everyone decently and didn't exploit anyone - I guess in my case I didn't grow up with the model of all employers being cocksuckers so I think differently.

Chad, in the case of northern countries like Holland or Sweden, even though some people call them socialist, they are a lot more free in terms of market and allocating resources than the US - The case of norway, only very few companies are government owned, and they call them socialist..
Norway cares about citizens, but they are capitalist clearly, otherwise the government would run more companies.

[Minimalist]

It's perfectly legal.

Did I say it was illegal? I said they were bullshit artists.

Everyone has to work hard but them.




But it is "legal."


(P.S. - These motherfuckers own the congressmen who make the "laws.")

[Dystopia]

It's perfectly legal.

Did I say it was illegal? I said they were bullshit artists.

Everyone has to work hard but them.




But it is "legal."


(P.S. - These motherfuckers own the congressmen who make the "laws.")

I agree with you on that - If I actually got rich by inheritance I'd at least admit I didn't work for it and pay decent wages - That's basic human decency.

[Tonus]

Isn't it usually the third generation that squanders the wealth and starts the cycle again?

[Chad32]

Isn't it usually the third generation that squanders the wealth and starts the cycle again?

It really depends. My dad works much harder than I do, and he has failed to teach me to work hard due to me having low ambitions and not being physically built for hard work. There are multiple factors, obviously, though I would expect someone who didn't work hard out of necessity to not have that as a big priority when raising his/her children.

[CapnAwesome]

Not having one kills people.

There should never be a need for a person to hold down four jobs to make ends meet. That we, as a society, not only allow it, but hold it up as a virtue, is a testament to how deep this country is in the pockets of the vastly over-privileged.

There isn't a need for a person to hold down four jobs to make ends meet. That's a myth. The poor in the United States are so well off compared to much of the world.

I know the typical response is that we should strive to be better than so and so shithole country etc and that somehow it's an unfair comparison.

Well it's not really an unfair comparison, since your average person in the world lives in the third world. The poor here still drive cars largely, live a single family in an apartment, have video games. It's ridiculous. We've eliminated starvation in this country to the point that our poorest citizens are actually more likely to be overweight. Meanwhile the lifestyle of everyone in this country hurts the environment and people in other countries but we maintain that somehow the 'poor' and the middle class in this country need more. Maybe instead of trying to plunder money from the rich we should all focus on being happy and learning to live with less. Eventually everyone will have to anyway.

[Mudhammam]

There isn't a need for a person to hold down four jobs to make ends meet. That's a myth. The poor in the United States are so well off compared to much of the world.

I know the typical response is that we should strive to be better than so and so shithole country etc and that somehow it's an unfair comparison.

Well it's not really an unfair comparison, since your average person in the world lives in the third world. The poor here still drive cars largely, live a single family in an apartment, have video games. It's ridiculous. We've eliminated starvation in this country to the point that our poorest citizens are actually more likely to be overweight. Meanwhile the lifestyle of everyone in this country hurts the environment and people in other countries but we maintain that somehow the 'poor' and the middle class in this country need more. Maybe instead of trying to plunder money from the rich we should all focus on being happy and learning to live with less. Eventually everyone will have to anyway.

All good points but I don't know if I'd say that the need for four jobs to make ends meet is a myth. Considering the costs of a car, car maintenance, gas, a small apartment, electricity, heat, groceries, a working phone--all of which I'd say are for the most basic necessities in America for anyone who wants to work (public transport where I live is pretty inadequate), that's already quite a large bill, and one that anything less $11 bucks an hour is going to make greatly difficult paying for. Add in basic health and dental insurance (who wants to have rotting teeth?), and a person is going to have very little left for savings. And a family? Forget about it!

And what if the person wants to actually live, rather than merely survive and sit inside all day reading books or going for walks?

While I can't complain, as I undoubtedly have it better than most people in the world, at least in third world countries a person has an actual jungle to play in and not a concrete one.