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RE: Yes I pick on all religions.
September 8, 2014 at 3:34 pm
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(September 8, 2014 at 1:20 pm)naimless Wrote: Instead of getting pissed off at someone objecting to your claims, you need to consider that YOU are wrong. There is nothing wrong with admitting you got it wrong. It is how our species learns and grows. If our species never questioned social norms our species never would have left the caves.
I said that not you, please learn to use the quote functions.
And yes I said that, your lack of evidence is not my baggage.
(September 8, 2014 at 3:01 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Hey Bri
In your opinion, I have bias with no evidence. In my opinion, I have reason to believe.
Scientific evidence is impossible, and more importantly to your dismissal, illogical.
My book is apples to your books oranges. I'm not about to dismiss a single scientific idea, because I think that would be absurd.
You claim that I don't accept all of science. I claim that I do. Can you show me one scientific fact that I supposedly don't agree with, that is trumped by religious truth?
You're reading the bible like it is supposed to be a science paper. Don't join that crowd. Those guys are crazy.
Yes you have a reason, a bias reason you are unwilling to question. There is a HUGE difference between testing and falsification to insure quality of data, and looking for excuses to believe something. You are looking for excuses not evidence.
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RE: Yes I pick on all religions.
September 8, 2014 at 4:53 pm
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(September 3, 2014 at 7:06 pm)Diablo Wrote: Very well said. That's the kind of thing these creeps do all the time. They deny people their rights and then bitch about it when they complain.
I feel the same way when you guys complain about theists denying people their rights, but remain silent about non-theists denying people their rights. It's akin to the silence from the muslim community about the atrocities committed by muslims around the world. I get the feeling that you believe that non-theists don't do that kind of thing, because they're not infected by religious ideas. Then you make silly claims about how the world would be a better place if we could get rid of all religions. So here is my silly argument. I see non-theists denying people their rights, so I believe that not believing in God causes people to do that. We could do the the world a great service by getting rid of all non-theists.
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RE: Yes I pick on all religions.
September 8, 2014 at 4:59 pm
(September 8, 2014 at 4:53 pm)Lek Wrote: (September 3, 2014 at 7:06 pm)Diablo Wrote: Very well said. That's the kind of thing these creeps do all the time. They deny people their rights and then bitch about it when they complain.
I feel the same way when you guys complain about theists denying people their rights, but remain silent about non-theists denying people their rights. It's akin to the silence from the muslim community about the atrocities committed by muslims around the world. I get the feeling that you believe that non-theists don't do that kind of thing, because they're not infected by religious ideas. Then you make silly claims about how the world would be a better place if we could get rid of all religions. So here is my silly argument. I see non-theists denying people their rights, so I believe that not believing in God causes people to do that. We could do the the world a great service by getting rid of all non-theists.
You might be able to make a ghost of a point there if atheism had any creed or tenets or doctrine or rules. There is nothing about 'I don't believe in God' that leads to any action at all besides not believing in God.
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson
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RE: Yes I pick on all religions.
September 8, 2014 at 5:05 pm
FAF, I was going to reply to that but you've done a much better job.
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RE: Yes I pick on all religions.
September 8, 2014 at 6:38 pm
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(September 8, 2014 at 3:34 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Yes you have a reason, a bias reason you are unwilling to question. There is a HUGE difference between testing and falsification to insure quality of data, and looking for excuses to believe something. You are looking for excuses not evidence.
I am dedicated to questioning what I think and what I believe. I constantly test it. You on the other hand, state openly above that your mind is closed on the subject. I don't see how that can be clearer. I go out of my way to uncover any bias I might have. Furthermore, the bible emplores me to do this.
Let's look at the testing you've done... You quote scripture literally (from an English translation) that leads you to a blaring misconception of allegory. You present this straw man as a reason to dismiss said allegory. You commit a blatant logical fallacy. So your own method is very clearly and demonstrably flawed. You've failed before you got to the starting gate. Don't talk to me about testing and falsification when you obviously don't apply the rule to yourself.
(September 8, 2014 at 4:59 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: You might be able to make a ghost of a point there if atheism had any creed or tenets or doctrine or rules. There is nothing about 'I don't believe in God' that leads to any action at all besides not believing in God.
Moot point.
There is nothing about "I believe in god" that leads to any action at all besides believing in god.
ie you can't claim that point about atheists without equally applying it to theists.
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RE: Yes I pick on all religions.
September 8, 2014 at 8:11 pm
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Experience will not back you up on that, Frods.
Believers seem to have a tendency to want to show how fucking stupid they are because of those "beliefs."
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RE: Yes I pick on all religions.
September 9, 2014 at 9:13 am
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(September 8, 2014 at 3:01 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: You're reading the bible like it is supposed to be a science paper. Don't join that crowd. Those guys are crazy.
And those crazy guys would call you a cherry picker, a hypocrite and 'not a true christian'
So who is right here? You or them?
(September 8, 2014 at 6:38 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: I am dedicated to questioning what I think and what I believe. I constantly test it. You on the other hand, state openly above that your mind is closed on the subject.
I don't know if you will be able to find a quote saying that.
(September 8, 2014 at 6:38 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: I don't see how that can be clearer. I go out of my way to uncover any bias I might have. Furthermore, the bible emplores me to do this.
OK so what is your stance on the flood? Science says it didn't happen, science says it's impossible. Do you believe science? Do you believe that the flood wasn't global? Do you believe that the flood was purely metaphorical?
I can't see a position other than accepting the flood didn't happen, that shows you as bias.
(September 8, 2014 at 6:38 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: There is nothing about "I believe in god" that leads to any action at all besides believing in god.
Well you know, apart from all those commandments. Burn witches, kill atheists and their entire village, stone gays, kill people who work on the Sabbath, kill people who grow different crops together, kill people who wear clothes of two different fabrics. But of course, you're far more clever than any of the xians in the past and so have realised that god didn't want you to do any of these things. Its a strange coincidence that you live in a society where these things are against the law and your god doesn't want you to do those things.
(September 8, 2014 at 6:38 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: ie you can't claim that point about atheists without equally applying it to theists.
Yes we can since we don't have a big old book telling us who we like and don't like, what we should eat, who we should have sex with, what clothes we should wear, how we should deal with people we disagree with. We don't have a book that specifically tells us to do things.
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'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
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RE: Yes I pick on all religions.
September 9, 2014 at 10:25 am
1. I have you on ignore bad wolf, and for good reason.
2. Is ignorance to be acknowledged? Perhaps in your world.
3. Read the op
4. The flood is allegorical and borrowed from parallel allegorical stories.
5 & 6. Well done in compounding the error. Notice how you conflate one tiny division of religious expression into the equal opposite to atheism: theism. Do you see how your argument collapses?
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RE: Yes I pick on all religions.
September 9, 2014 at 10:46 am
They can't admit they're wrong because they've been conditioned to believe that the entire bible is factual, if they admit one flaw, god is no longer perfect. In there mind, they don't reason that if this all perfect being can be wrong, he might not be the creation he was said to; they insist instead they are incapable of understanding his "ALMIGHTY GODDD" power. You're inferior to them, so they would rather side with the man with the power; it's like in grade school, kids may name the bully right in an argument because they don't want him to turn on them.
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RE: Yes I pick on all religions.
September 9, 2014 at 11:13 am
(September 8, 2014 at 6:38 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: (September 8, 2014 at 3:34 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Yes you have a reason, a bias reason you are unwilling to question. There is a HUGE difference between testing and falsification to insure quality of data, and looking for excuses to believe something. You are looking for excuses not evidence.
I am dedicated to questioning what I think and what I believe. I constantly test it. You on the other hand, state openly above that your mind is closed on the subject. I don't see how that can be clearer. I go out of my way to uncover any bias I might have. Furthermore, the bible emplores me to do this.
Let's look at the testing you've done... You quote scripture literally (from an English translation) that leads you to a blaring misconception of allegory. You present this straw man as a reason to dismiss said allegory. You commit a blatant logical fallacy. So your own method is very clearly and demonstrably flawed. You've failed before you got to the starting gate. Don't talk to me about testing and falsification when you obviously don't apply the rule to yourself.
(September 8, 2014 at 4:59 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: You might be able to make a ghost of a point there if atheism had any creed or tenets or doctrine or rules. There is nothing about 'I don't believe in God' that leads to any action at all besides not believing in God.
Moot point.
There is nothing about "I believe in god" that leads to any action at all besides believing in god.
ie you can't claim that point about atheists without equally applying it to theists.
"Test it" how exactly? Please do show everyone here your empirical universal methodology.
Let me go get my popcorn bucket first.
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