Why was Adam exempt from the transgression when the transgression was disobedience?

[bladevalant546]

I am going to quote Freiza from Dragon Ball Z abridged. "It is kind of hard to be racist against a race that does not exist" How this pertains to this topic is simple, if Adam never existed and this story is allegoric, therefore it is irrelevant why Adam was not blamed beyond a story that basically speaks of a male dominated culture.

You are correct "It is kind of hard to be racist against a race that does not exist", but this is not about intelligent people. It is about people who let religious organizations think for them and they have been the majority so far.

If equality for women and gays is not something you crave for whatever society you are in, then your sense of social justice and conscience is no better than that of those who discriminate without just cause.

For evil to grow all people have to do is what you recommend doing. Nothing.

Regards
DL

I never recommended such a thing, sorry . I think debating semantics with their religious book meaning fighting on their level. I say beat them by being better humans.

[Greatest I am]

You are correct "It is kind of hard to be racist against a race that does not exist", but this is not about intelligent people. It is about people who let religious organizations think for them and they have been the majority so far.

If equality for women and gays is not something you crave for whatever society you are in, then your sense of social justice and conscience is no better than that of those who discriminate without just cause.

For evil to grow all people have to do is what you recommend doing. Nothing.

Regards
DL

I never recommended such a thing, sorry . I think debating semantics with their religious book meaning fighting on their level. I say beat them by being better humans.

To be better, you have to try to love your neighbor, so to speak.

The bible has few moral lessons that are worthy without reversing the teachings but some are worthy of note. The one above they plagiarized but is worthy. I

do not know if this other one was plagiarized or not but it too is worthy of note.

Proverbs 3:12
For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

Regards
DL

[Chas]

Why didn't Harry marry Hermione?

[Thumpalumpacus]

To be better, you have to try to love your neighbor, so to speak.

The bible has few moral lessons that are worthy without reversing the teachings but some are worthy of note. The one above they plagiarized but is worthy. I

do not know if this other one was plagiarized or not but it too is worthy of note.

Proverbs 3:12
For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

Regards
DL

Those women are grown-ups. If they're happy being subservient, why should I try to change their minds?

[Greatest I am]

To be better, you have to try to love your neighbor, so to speak.

The bible has few moral lessons that are worthy without reversing the teachings but some are worthy of note. The one above they plagiarized but is worthy. I

do not know if this other one was plagiarized or not but it too is worthy of note.

Proverbs 3:12
For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

Regards
DL

Those women are grown-ups. If they're happy being subservient, why should I try to change their minds?

My last went right over your head I see.

Let me try another tack since you will not recognize that you should try to love your neighbor.

Do you not seek justice for those in your country? Is equality not a pert of justice?

Change the labels in this quote to women, minorities, gays or children being brainwashed by religions and it shows what we should be thinking and doing for each other.

"First they came for the Jews, but I did nothing because I'm not a Jew. Then they came for the socialists, but I did nothing because I'm not a socialist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I did nothing because I'm not a Catholic. Finally, they came for me, but by then there was no one left to help me." – Pastor Father Niemoller (1946)”

Regards
DL

[Drich]

But she was right, Drippy. She did not die which makes your god a fucking liar.

Which should, by the logic Drich just presented, preclude god from teaching, making the new testament sinful...

But please do spin around and give us the usual "spiritual death" nonsense, Drich. I'm sure we'll all ignore that it isn't present in the text at all!

Adam and Eve before the fall were immortal. Once the ate the forbidden fruit, their imortal lives ended. They died. Perhaps in a spiritual sense as well, but their physical immortality their life up to that point ended.

[Greatest I am]

Which should, by the logic Drich just presented, preclude god from teaching, making the new testament sinful...

But please do spin around and give us the usual "spiritual death" nonsense, Drich. I'm sure we'll all ignore that it isn't present in the text at all!

Adam and Eve before the fall were immortal. Once the ate the forbidden fruit, their imortal lives ended. They died. Perhaps in a spiritual sense as well, but their physical immortality their life up to that point ended.

That is not scriptural or logical.

If immortal, why was the tree of life there?

Who was it for? Not the animals or they would have ate of it.

God is also not shown as taking away their immortality. Get the quote if you have one. He is seen as locking away the tree of life and effectively murdering A & E by intentional neglect and abuse.

You say (perhaps) died in a spiritual way. Don't you know?

I think that they were spiritually fine and so does God when he says they became like him and developed a moral sense.

Would you not eat as well or would you deny yourself a moral sense to the point of stupidly not knowing you are naked and not being able to reproduce?

Regards
DL

[LarissaAnn]

Because God is a dick to women, simple as that lol

[Greatest I am]

Because God is a dick to women, simple as that lol

I agree but that is hardly a way to draw a theist in so that you can convince him. Unless that is not your purpose for posting.

Many atheists against Christians and just as many Christians against me just jump in to throw a stone, so to speak, but do not bother to show any kind of convincing argument.

You doing so does not give those who look for good moral arguments, like me, any ammunition to use against theists.

If you do not train the young minds who lurk about as to how to fight foolish theists, -- who will?

I see that as my duty to society and I hope you can see it as that as well.

Regards
DL

[orangebox21]

Why was Adam exempt from the transgression when the transgression was disobedience?

Romans 5:12. Sin entered the world through one man [Adam]. Not exempt. His punishment:

17 To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’
“Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat food from it
all the days of your life.
18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.
19 By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return.”

"Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." (I Timothy 2:11-14)

Being discussed here

I think that Adam, not being deceived, was more culpable than Eve.

By what authority are you making that claim?

Why then did God favor the guiltiest, Adam, with, --- he shall rule over you?

Who was 'guiltiest' is not the determining factor. Read up on federal headship.

Men rule over women? Why when men were not deceived but disobeyed?

Not rule, federal headship.

What was the transgression, --- if not a wise decision to choose knowledge and wisdom and shun immortality of the flesh, --- even if that were possible, --- and why was Adan not punished as hard as Eve when he was clearly more guilty?

Regards
DL

Are you claiming that it was a wise decision to choose knowledge and wisdom over God's word?