Atheistic Dogma- Scientific Fundamentalism

[Simon Moon]

Well, inclusion in the NAS seems to imply their expertise and level of respect to be given to their opinion.

Of course!

Because they still do real science. They leave their theistic beliefs outside the lab.

Neil Degrasse Tyson has responded to a question similar to mine that the reason is because they are still continuously running up against revelations of experiments that cannot be explained with our current understandings of the laws of science.

Yes.

He is pointing out the flaws in the 'god of the gaps' argument.

"Can't explain it. God did it."

God of the gaps is not something to be proud of.

There, he argues, is where "goddidit" ends up becoming the fall back answer, even for the most respected of minds.

And he's pointing out that it is flawed thinking.

just like your 'ID of the gaps' argument.

[Tonus]

"We can't know if everything we know is right, so whatever I fling against the wall might be true." I don't think that's how science has progressed these last few centuries.

[sswhateverlove]

And... Again what we don't know could include some missing variables with regard to the outcomes of these experiments. I totally speculate that the "observer effect" may have something to do with it. But, only time and continued research/evidence could possibly shed light in that direction.

So your whole stance is "you don't know so I'll believe in things that have no evidence for." Is that rational? .

Your and my opinion of the evidence for or against something is merely that, opinion. I am not claiming you have had any of the experiences that I have had (my evidence), so I make no assumptions you would form the same opinions.

People have asked, so I have shared my opinions. What I have gathered is that many here have seen no evidence of ID based on their experiences, wherefore they assume anyone who claims to have experiences otherwise is full of shit.

Well, I guess you're entitled to your opinion.

[Simon Moon]

Your and my opinion of the evidence for or against something is merely that, opinion. I am not claiming you have had any of the experiences that I have had (my evidence), so I make no assumptions you would form the same opinions.

People have asked, so I have shared my opinions. What I have gathered is that many here have seen no evidence of ID based on their experiences, wherefore they assume anyone who claims to have experiences otherwise is full of shit.

Well, I guess you're entitled to your opinion.

But you seem to consider speculation as evidence.

Speculation is not evidence.

[Jackalope]

"most likely". You can quantify this, yes? With reason and evidence, something with a little more meat than base speculation?

Well, revelations of quantum physics, astrophysics and epigenetics (even with limited research) have shown our reality to be much different than previously assumed. You think it is likely that with further research we will go back to previous assumptions? You think it'll be like, 'nah, that was nothing', let's just forget about that stuff?

I said nothing of the sort.

I think science will continue, just as it always has, to change our opinions of reality based on the findings/evidence.

Well, durr. Have any?

[FatAndFaithless]

So your whole stance is "you don't know so I'll believe in things that have no evidence for." Is that rational? .

Your and my opinion of the evidence for or against something is merely that, opinion. I am not claiming you have had any of the experiences that I have had (my evidence), so I make no assumptions you would form the same opinions.

People have asked, so I have shared my opinions. What I have gathered is that many here have seen no evidence of ID based on their experiences, wherefore they assume anyone who claims to have experiences otherwise is full of shit.

Well, I guess you're entitled to your opinion.

Your opinion has no impact on the truth value of a claim. You can have the 'opinion' that gravity isn't real, but it doesn't change the reality of anything. Nor does your opinion on ID.

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Well, revelations of quantum physics, astrophysics and epigenetics (even with limited research) have shown our reality to be much different than previously assumed. You think it is likely that with further research we will go back to previous assumptions? You think it'll be like, 'nah, that was nothing', let's just forget about that stuff?

I said nothing of the sort.

For the love of your god SSwhateveryournameis, stop strawmanning people. I thought dishonesty was supposed to be a sin?

[sswhateverlove]

Well, revelations of quantum physics, astrophysics and epigenetics (even with limited research) have shown our reality to be much different than previously assumed. You think it is likely that with further research we will go back to previous assumptions? You think it'll be like, 'nah, that was nothing', let's just forget about that stuff?

I said nothing of the sort.

I think science will continue, just as it always has, to change our opinions of reality based on the findings/evidence.

Well, durr. Have any?

i already named 3 very specific areas of research that have found evidence that reality is not as we previously assumed. Do you disagree?

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For the love of your god SSwhateveryournameis, stop strawmanning people. I thought dishonesty was supposed to be a sin?

You're strawmanning assuming I give 2 shits what is "supposed to be a sin". I'm not a theist, get over it.

If you don't start contributing something valuable to the conversation I'm going to start ignoring your posts. And no, I don't find saying "stop strawmanning" over and over valuable. It wasn't in the beginning of the thread and it's not now either.

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Also, check the question marks... When I say... You think (fill in the blank)? It's asking you to clarify, not stating a fact. Reading comprehension does go a long way..

[Surgenator]

Your and my opinion of the evidence for or against something is merely that, opinion. I am not claiming you have had any of the experiences that I have had (my evidence), so I make no assumptions you would form the same opinions.

People have asked, so I have shared my opinions. What I have gathered is that many here have seen no evidence of ID based on their experiences, wherefore they assume anyone who claims to have experiences otherwise is full of shit.

Well, I guess you're entitled to your opinion.

Your misrepresenting of the scientific discovers is what I took issue with. I've pointed out that dark matter doesn't create scaffolding on a microscopic scale. I've pointed out that you were using many different-mutally-exclusive interpretations of quantum mechanics to justify your claims. And your response is "I have shared my opinions" like your opinions and mine are on the same footing. My opinions are not riddled with such gross errors.

[FatAndFaithless]

I said nothing of the sort.


Well, durr. Have any?

i already named 3 very specific areas of research that have found evidence that reality is not as we previously assumed. Do you disagree?

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For the love of your god SSwhateveryournameis, stop strawmanning people. I thought dishonesty was supposed to be a sin?

You're strawmanning assuming I give 2 shits what is "supposed to be a sin". I'm not a theist, get over it.

If you don't start contributing something valuable to the conversation I'm going to start ignoring your posts. And no, I don't find saying "stop strawmanning" over and over valuable. It wasn't in the beginning of the thread and it's not now either.

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Also, check the question marks... When I say... You think (fill in the blank)? It's asking you to clarify, not stating a fact. Reading comprehension does go a long way..

I don't give a shit if you respond to me, buddyboy, I'm voicing my displeasure over your dishonest and repeatedly addressed discussion tactics. I've mentioned your misrepresentation of other peoples' statements and pointed out your misunderstanding of scientific principles. Don't want to keep getting called out? Then fix the problems.

Oh, and stop strawmanning people. It's the worst thing you can do in an honest conversation.

[fr0d0]

"We can't know if everything we know is right, so whatever I fling against the wall might be true." I don't think that's how science has progressed these last few centuries.

A lot of it has progressed that way though