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RE: Outlawing ALL unproven medical practices,
February 4, 2010 at 2:59 pm
(February 4, 2010 at 1:25 pm)Pippy Wrote: Since when had it become a conspiracy or an obsession? The thread is about outlawing unproven medical practices. I added my very unique opinion about some questions and concerns I had about modern medicine the stands as 'proven'. Sure I worry that the Pharma Lobby has gotten control of the WHO to some degree, and that would entail a literal conspiracy... But this is just my addition to the conversation.
It became a conspiracy when you suggested that the independent scientists who runt he double blind clinical trials were bought off by the pharma companies to produce untrue studies with conclusions that only support the goals of the pharma company.
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RE: Outlawing ALL unproven medical practices,
February 4, 2010 at 10:10 pm
That is untrue? Look at the Monsanto studies. Look at the HPV study I linked too where the girl complained of adverse reaction so they removed her from the study. There was a recent test on the SSRI by Eli Lilly where the woman took the medication for 3 months. Then they switched her to the placebo in a doble blind. She had very advers reactions to the cesation of the habit forming medicine, and was promptly removed from the study. In monsanto studies the cows that died from eating the GE plants were removed from the study and replaced with healthy cows with the same identification number (trying to pretend the first cow was still alive).
And then there's Baxter, the company who made the Swine Flu shot you were offerend over in the UK. If I am not mistaken, only your country signed the clause that made a promise to purchase, and Britain just got hundreds of thousands of (more) Pandrexa (or whatever they called it) because of a contract obligation. So there is the group that made the medicine some of you took. Have they ever broken the law? Have they ever done anything unsafe that you as a consumer should be informed of. They would never fake a lab test, but they will release medicine with HIV contamination. Then they will get caught doing it, and claim it as an unfortunate accident. They will remove the medicine form the American market. They will stockpile it. Finally, they will sell it again to China (I think), all the while being wholly unable to deny knowing that is has HIV in it. But that was another unfortunate accident. These are the same people who may have allegedly shipped 71 kilograms of attenuated virus material that had unharmed bird flu in it. If the Polish hadn't had distrust and tested the shipment, the seasonal flu jab would have had bird flu in it. That is one of the reasons we got the GSK shot, Baxter is not allowed to sell vaccine medication in America for a few years. Now does this information make me a CT, or an informed consumer? Would these companies ever do anything against the greater good? They would certainly get caught (remember the article I posted about all the hundreds of current lawsuits against Pharma Corps) and if they did we would hear about it instead of Brangalina.
Oh but this is all unsubstantiated, because it's not on Wiki.
Oh wait, it is in a kind of clean and polite way.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baxter_International
Call me crazy, but I like to know if the medicine I am offered is safe before I take it.
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RE: Outlawing ALL unproven medical practices,
February 4, 2010 at 10:14 pm
I've been awake for about a day now so i'm having trouble focusing my eyes on the text, but i'll get back to it after a power nap, but there is one thing i will ad now:
I ain't British!!! It's Kiwi, thanks 
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RE: Outlawing ALL unproven medical practices,
February 5, 2010 at 12:32 am
(February 4, 2010 at 10:14 pm)theVOID Wrote: I've been awake for about a day now so i'm having trouble focusing my eyes on the text, but i'll get back to it after a power nap, but there is one thing i will ad now:
I ain't British!!! It's Kiwi, thanks
Kiaora Bro!!
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RE: Outlawing ALL unproven medical practices,
February 5, 2010 at 1:17 am
(February 5, 2010 at 12:32 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: (February 4, 2010 at 10:14 pm)theVOID Wrote: I've been awake for about a day now so i'm having trouble focusing my eyes on the text, but i'll get back to it after a power nap, but there is one thing i will ad now:
I ain't British!!! It's Kiwi, thanks
Kiaora Bro!!
Didn't know
Hey bro
Where in Aotearoa are you from?
I'm in Christchurch at the moment, but Oamaru born and bred
@ Pippy - Fuck, those sure are some shocking displays of corporate thuggery by Mosanto, i'm glad the industry works differently here, as does the entire health system, to be fai thoughr their (and baxters) mistakes are few and far between with their actual products and research. The scientific studies were no where near as bad as you portrayed either, most were checked by the FDA or other independent testing agencies before they were able to be sold, so the screening standard is unlikely to be problematic. Most mistakes Baxter made with medicine, for example, were from shipping mistakes more low risk contamination. I couldn't find a thing about Baxter shipping HIV infected needles, but they did contaminate a batch with H1N1 accidentally during mass processing. Again not a scientific problem, it was passed their hands long before it got to that stage and basically comes down to human error.
Overall the vaccines and medicines do far far far more good than harm without a doubt, they are still beneficial members of the medical industry. The agriculture stuff sound very fishy too, but i don't really know enough about the industry to analyse that one very well.
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RE: Outlawing ALL unproven medical practices,
February 5, 2010 at 2:23 am
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RE: Outlawing ALL unproven medical practices,
February 5, 2010 at 10:22 pm
Hey Void,
Thanks for your reply.
I don't think contaminating the attenuated viri with H5N1 is a shipping error. If these people can make a mistake in a facility that is legally required to be run at Bio-Security Level 4, then we need to consider legal action or removal of charter. It isn;t just a mislabeled package, or a coincidence, it is gross negligence at best. And some kind of genocide at worst.
The Monsanto one is almost worse. The Pharma Corps are very dangerous and can cause a lot of damage, but GM food can cause an ecological collapse. They said years ago that they would solve world hunder with GM food (ignoring that world hunger is not a problem of resources, but a problem of economics and politics). We said "Yeah right". They made the Round-Up Ready Falv-r Saver Tomato first. It was laced with a gene they found in a mold growing in a holding vat full of old Round-Up. Literally, their fancy RUR gene was found by chance in a mold. What was their first though upon finding a gene that was resistant to the deadly effects of the pesticide? "Let's put in in the food!"
So did they add this gene in a safe manner? Did they do appropriate tests about it's saftey? Does a RuR tomato solve world hunger yet? Yields are down, every year people spray a record amount of Round-Up to try to kill the resistant super weeds (didn't we learn anything from the overuse of antibiotics?). When they add these genes they literally fire them at the plant genes with tiny guns. I can not make it more scientific than that. Then some of the genes get some of the code in some part of the helix. How do they know if it took or not? They always add an anti-bacterial gene (to every single GM crop) as a marker, so that they can check if the gene took easier and cheaper. Is there any negative effect of this second gene? We don't know.
And then there is the Terminator gene. Another thing they have done is add the Annual gene to perenials. So plants that used to over-winter, now die off every year. Why? So you have to buy the seed again next year. Monsanto decided that they needed more profit, so they altered the genetic structure of plants on earth. Have they solved world hunger yet? Are they even trying?
The biggest concern is that plants are known to share their code and cross mutate. If other plants take up the Terminator gene, there could be a literal collapse of foodstuffs. Like no apples again ever.
In testing all animals that ate GM food had adverse reactions. A lot of Monsanto tests are questionable though. A little fact, when given a choice any animal will eat a real piece of food over a GM piece of food. Without fail, every time. They will only eat GM food if it is the only option in from of them. If I held up two tomatoes, you couldn't tell which one was GM, but a rat can?
And don't get me started on the problems with Patenting plants. Monsanto owns the inventors patent for plants. I think plants were here long before Monsanto. They also own a strain of breast cancer. Don't get it, they may sue you for theft (a trick they pull with farmers who refuse to buy seed from them).
Oh yeah, and the new Iraqi occupation government passed a law that all seed storage in Iraq is illegal (Baghdad had a seed vault that was thousands of years old). All those old seeds disappeared. Where did they go (along with the Sumerian tablets, the oldest writing known to man)? My guess (just a guess) is Bill Gates creepy doomsday seed vault. And another law that the new democracy passed was that you were legally bound to buy seeds from Monsanto.
And what they did to India. Force and trick the farmers to get the BTE Cotton. It's yeild was terrible, it needs more instead of less pesticides, the workers got terrible rashes picking it, the animals that ate it all died (literally 100%) and last I heard well over 100,000 Indian farmers had taken their own lives because their family farm was ruined after one year of BTE cotton. 100,000 suicides. Thanks Monsanto.
They just won an award for being the least ethical corp, and they got Company of the Year in Forbes. They will make a profit even if it kills you. Even if it could end all plant life on the planet. But they haven't gotten around to solving world hunger quite yet, one day soon they promise.
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RE: Outlawing ALL unproven medical practices,
February 6, 2010 at 6:43 am
Reminds me of this lil video...
[youtube]jtlYyuJjACw[/youtube]
Seems to missing big sections about the other nuts - like how the brazil nut was wrongly outlawed as carsonegenic in the US and by force from the US, Europe too; when in fact it was sustainably produced being collected by spit sticks off the ground.
Other dirty conspiricist videos here: http://www.mediathatmattersfest.org/watc..._the_world#
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