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~~Mystic~~ · October 5, 2014 at 4:58 pm

(October 5, 2014 at 4:53 pm)LastPoet Wrote: It is transparent to me and makes no difference.

So I should say that the only reason your Atheist is because you don't want to believe in God? Is that fair to say.

genkaus · October 5, 2014 at 5:06 pm

(October 5, 2014 at 4:45 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: How do you know I wish Islam to be true? Or these feelings to be true? I just feel these are the truth. I'm not stating them as facts. It's just these things seem true to me.

That is how we know that you wish them to be true.

LastPoet · October 5, 2014 at 5:12 pm

(October 5, 2014 at 4:58 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: So I should say that the only reason your Atheist is because you don't want to believe in God? Is that fair to say.

To repeat myself: Reality does not conform to what I want. The fools still have to precisely define the thing they claim to believe, then demostrate how to find that thing they call a god. Other than that, it's all a fantasy, from old desert tales.

I have more reliable ways to live in reality.

~~Mystic~~ · (This post was last modified: October 5, 2014 at 5:16 pm by Mystic.)

(October 5, 2014 at 5:06 pm)genkaus Wrote:
(October 5, 2014 at 4:45 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: How do you know I wish Islam to be true? Or these feelings to be true? I just feel these are the truth. I'm not stating them as facts. It's just these things seem true to me.

That is how we know that you wish them to be true.

So if you feel these things are not true, it means you wish them to not be true. So if you feel we don't have a 6th sense connecting it us to God, it means you wish we don't have it. Do I understand you correctly?

Everything we lean towards believing, we wish it to be true?

(October 5, 2014 at 5:12 pm)LastPoet Wrote:
(October 5, 2014 at 4:58 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: So I should say that the only reason your Atheist is because you don't want to believe in God? Is that fair to say.

To repeat myself: Reality does not conform to what I want. The fools still have to precisely define the thing they claim to believe, then demostrate how to find that thing they call a god. Other than that, it's all a fantasy, from old desert tales.

I have more reliable ways to live in reality.

So with you, it has nothing to do with what you want, but if I lean towards something, it must mean I want it to be true? Why is that. Double standards much?

LastPoet · (This post was last modified: October 5, 2014 at 5:22 pm by LastPoet.)

What double standards? I see reality for what it is, not what I want it to be. You want to believe or lean or 'feel' as you say. Sorry, but if you want to test my claim, you should bash your head into a brick, wall feeling it will be soft, enough times for you to realise that reality doesn't have mercy of your personal idiocy.

genkaus · October 5, 2014 at 5:23 pm

(October 5, 2014 at 5:15 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: So if you feel these things are not true, it means you wish them to not be true. So if you feel we don't have a 6th sense connecting it us to God, it means you wish we don't have it. Do I understand you correctly?

Everything we lean towards believing, we wish it to be true?

You understand me correctly - truth is about knowledge. What I know to be true is about the actual truth. What I feel to be true is about what I want the truth to be. You'll notice that atheists rarely say things like "I don't feel there is a sixth sense" or "I don't feel there is no god".

~~Mystic~~ · October 5, 2014 at 5:24 pm

So when I lean towards Atheism. It's just because I want Atheism to be true. When I lean towards Deism it's just that I want Deism to be true. And when I lean towards Islam it's just that I want Islam to be true. It's that simple. Of course, that's with me, while you believing in what you believe has nothing to do with what you desire. No double standards.

Chas · (This post was last modified: October 5, 2014 at 5:26 pm by Chas.)

(October 5, 2014 at 5:15 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: So if you feel these things are not true, it means you wish them to not be true. So if you feel we don't have a 6th sense connecting it us to God, it means you wish we don't have it. Do I understand you correctly?

That is ridiculous. That is not what he said at all.

(October 5, 2014 at 4:58 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:
(October 5, 2014 at 4:53 pm)LastPoet Wrote: It is transparent to me and makes no difference.

So I should say that the only reason your Atheist is because you don't want to believe in God? Is that fair to say.

No, that is not fair to say.

genkaus · October 5, 2014 at 5:26 pm

(October 5, 2014 at 5:24 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: So when I lean towards Atheism. It's just because I want Atheism to be true. When I lean towards Deism it's just that I want Deism to be true. And when I lean towards Islam it's just that I want Islam to be true. It's that simple. Of course, that's with me, while you believing in what you believe has nothing to do with what you desire. No double standards.

If you lean towards them because you feel them to be true, then yes, it is that simple. I determine my leanings based on a better standard - one of knowing, not feeling.

~~Mystic~~ · (This post was last modified: October 5, 2014 at 5:29 pm by Mystic.)

(October 5, 2014 at 5:23 pm)genkaus Wrote:
(October 5, 2014 at 5:15 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: So if you feel these things are not true, it means you wish them to not be true. So if you feel we don't have a 6th sense connecting it us to God, it means you wish we don't have it. Do I understand you correctly?

Everything we lean towards believing, we wish it to be true?

You understand me correctly - truth is about knowledge. What I know to be true is about the actual truth. What I feel to be true is about what I want the truth to be. You'll notice that atheists rarely say things like "I don't feel there is a sixth sense" or "I don't feel there is no god".

So what about when I feel there is no God? Is that me wanting there to be no god? Because certainly I don't know there is no God when I feel that way.

(October 5, 2014 at 5:26 pm)genkaus Wrote:
(October 5, 2014 at 5:24 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: So when I lean towards Atheism. It's just because I want Atheism to be true. When I lean towards Deism it's just that I want Deism to be true. And when I lean towards Islam it's just that I want Islam to be true. It's that simple. Of course, that's with me, while you believing in what you believe has nothing to do with what you desire. No double standards.

If you lean towards them because you feel them to be true, then yes, it is that simple. I determine my leanings based on a better standard - one of knowing, not feeling.

So everything you claim to be true, is on absolute knowledge?

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