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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 6, 2014 at 4:25 pm
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(October 6, 2014 at 4:19 pm)ShaMan Wrote: (October 6, 2014 at 4:16 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: ...your position is monstrous and you should be ashamed. A man who defends the defenseless child should be ashamed but the man who defends a grown woman should not? Wow.
What child?
(October 6, 2014 at 4:23 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: (October 6, 2014 at 3:57 pm)Chas Wrote: That is an opinion not shared by everyone. What makes it a human being?
Science says so
No, it doesn't.
A single cell is not a human being.
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 6, 2014 at 4:27 pm
What I am saying is that by letting abortions happening you are preventing the child from having a say in their murder
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 6, 2014 at 4:29 pm
We all should just convert to Jainism
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 6, 2014 at 4:29 pm
(October 6, 2014 at 4:23 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: That's the damn point, ShaMan. It's her choice, her decision. Carm is advocating removing the choice from her, and forcing her to have the child. I'm all for choice, though it is one I personally disagree with (abortion). I have seen C4RM5 state that he thinks abortion is 'wrong' and I personally won't go so far as to become judge. I have not, however, seen C4RM5 advocate, in any post, that choice should be removed as an option. I may be wrong, and I'll take correction in this regard. However, I do not think it is wise to conflate C4RM5's position with the presumed default of the Christian majority.
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 6, 2014 at 4:30 pm
(October 6, 2014 at 4:17 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: So the really world teaches that murder is acceptable.
What do you think those airstrikes in Syria are doing? Dropping cookies?
You are naive.
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 6, 2014 at 4:30 pm
I know I am repeating myself but if the child was born first and then the mother was given the iption of abortion there would be a lot less abortions. Abortion makes it too easy to kill a child without putting much thought into it.
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 6, 2014 at 4:30 pm
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(October 6, 2014 at 4:27 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: What I am saying is that by letting abortions happening you are preventing the child from having a say in their murder
And I am saying there is no child. There is a single cell at conception, a ball of undifferentiated cells a little later, and there isn't a nervous system or brain for at least six months.
A few cells is not a person.
(October 6, 2014 at 4:30 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: I know I am repeating myself but if the child was born first and then the mother was given the iption of abortion there would be a lot less abortions. Abortion makes it too easy to kill a child without putting much thought into it.
And that is an absurd argument.
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 6, 2014 at 4:31 pm
(October 6, 2014 at 4:29 pm)ShaMan Wrote: (October 6, 2014 at 4:23 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: That's the damn point, ShaMan. It's her choice, her decision. Carm is advocating removing the choice from her, and forcing her to have the child. I'm all for choice, though it is one I personally disagree with (abortion). I have seen C4RM5 state that he thinks abortion is 'wrong' and I personally won't go so far as to become judge. I have not, however, seen C4RM5 advocate, in any post, that choice should be removed as an option. I may be wrong, and I'll take correction in this regard. However, I do not think it is wise to conflate C4RM5's position with the presumed default of the Christian majority.
Fair enough. Going from this post
Quote:Plainy I believe that women that have been raped should not be given an abortion, I have already said this.
I assumed that's what he meant, since he's opposed to every other circumstance of abortion being forbidden as well. Let's ask him.
Carm, do you think it should be legal to allow rape victims to abort their pregnancy?
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 6, 2014 at 4:32 pm
(October 6, 2014 at 4:29 pm)ShaMan Wrote: (October 6, 2014 at 4:23 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: That's the damn point, ShaMan. It's her choice, her decision. Carm is advocating removing the choice from her, and forcing her to have the child. I'm all for choice, though it is one I personally disagree with (abortion). I have seen C4RM5 state that he thinks abortion is 'wrong' and I personally won't go so far as to become judge. I have not, however, seen C4RM5 advocate, in any post, that choice should be removed as an option. I may be wrong, and I'll take correction in this regard. However, I do not think it is wise to conflate C4RM5's position with the presumed default of the Christian majority. I have heard other Christains talk about how they think abortion is wrong.
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 6, 2014 at 4:32 pm
(October 6, 2014 at 4:32 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: I have heard other Christains talk about how they think abortion is wrong.
There's a new term for you, Min.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
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