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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 6, 2014 at 4:33 pm
Haven't read the entire thread so this has probably been said before but oh well. If you honestly believe that a foetus is a person with all the rights of a person then I fail to see how you have a problem with abortion. We wouldn't allow someone to kidnap someone else, hook themselves up to their kidneys and filter their blood to stay alive. Can you not see that by condemning abortion, you are giving foetuses special rights. You are giving them more rights than an actual person.
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 6, 2014 at 4:33 pm
(October 6, 2014 at 4:29 pm)ShaMan Wrote: (October 6, 2014 at 4:23 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: That's the damn point, ShaMan. It's her choice, her decision. Carm is advocating removing the choice from her, and forcing her to have the child. I'm all for choice, though it is one I personally disagree with (abortion). I have seen C4RM5 state that he thinks abortion is 'wrong' and I personally won't go so far as to become judge. I have not, however, seen C4RM5 advocate, in any post, that choice should be removed as an option. I may be wrong, and I'll take correction in this regard. However, I do not think it is wise to conflate C4RM5's position with the presumed default of the Christian majority.
He said "Plainy I believe that women that have been raped should not be given an abortion, I have already said this."
So, yes, he is advocating removing choice. He is a moral midget.
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 6, 2014 at 4:34 pm
(October 6, 2014 at 4:32 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: I have heard other Christains talk about how they think abortion is wrong. Would you prefer that your beliefs (not to abort) be legally/officially imposed upon others who don't share your belief?
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 6, 2014 at 4:34 pm
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I think if it were to happen the child would have to be born first and then the mother can decide whether or not to murder the child. You have to see the person you are going to murder first, without doing so you are cold and heartless.
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 6, 2014 at 4:35 pm
(October 6, 2014 at 4:33 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: Haven't read the entire thread so this has probably been said before but oh well. If you honestly believe that a foetus is a person with all the rights of a person then I fail to see how you have a problem with abortion. We wouldn't allow someone to kidnap someone else, hook themselves up to their kidneys and filter their blood to stay alive. Can you not see that by condemning abortion, you are giving foetuses special rights. You are giving them more rights than an actual person.
That argument is mighty flawed. It's really a bad analogy.
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 6, 2014 at 4:35 pm
Carm, going to press you on a straight answer again. Should it be legal for a rape victim to abort? Yes or no.
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 6, 2014 at 4:35 pm
(October 6, 2014 at 4:33 pm)Chas Wrote: He said "Plainy I believe that women that have been raped should not be given an abortion, I have already said this."
So, yes, he is advocating removing choice. He stated his personal/religious beliefs. I do not see the call for the sanctions.
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 6, 2014 at 4:35 pm
(October 6, 2014 at 4:33 pm)Chas Wrote: (October 6, 2014 at 4:29 pm)ShaMan Wrote: I'm all for choice, though it is one I personally disagree with (abortion). I have seen C4RM5 state that he thinks abortion is 'wrong' and I personally won't go so far as to become judge. I have not, however, seen C4RM5 advocate, in any post, that choice should be removed as an option. I may be wrong, and I'll take correction in this regard. However, I do not think it is wise to conflate C4RM5's position with the presumed default of the Christian majority.
He said "Plainy I believe that women that have been raped should not be given an abortion, I have already said this."
So, yes, he is advocating removing choice. He is a moral midget.
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 6, 2014 at 4:35 pm
(October 6, 2014 at 4:35 pm)ShaMan Wrote: (October 6, 2014 at 4:33 pm)Chas Wrote: He said "Plainy I believe that women that have been raped should not be given an abortion, I have already said this."
So, yes, he is advocating removing choice. He stated his personal/religious beliefs. I do not see the call for the sanctions.
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RE: Abortion not allowed
October 6, 2014 at 4:36 pm
(October 6, 2014 at 4:34 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: I think if it were to happen the gild would have to be boen first and then the mother can decide whether or not to murder the child. You have to see the person you are going to murder first, without doing so you are cold and heartless.
There is no person; your argument is an idiotic appeal to emotion and has no place in rational discourse.
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