Jews and the old testament

[downbeatplumb]

Me thinks luckie is closet member of biblical Christianity.

She was, but got better.

[Vivalarevolution]

So the only laws which jesus supported were the 10 commandments

OK, could you show me then where Jesus says it's OK for a woman to own property? Or for a woman to divorce her husband? Of for a daughter to receive an inheritance? Or where he says that men can no longer own concubines to be their sex slaves?

Did Jesus say the women couldn't do those things? Do any christians oppose women who buy property, inherit ancestral possessions? NO! The marriage part doesn't count. That was for both man and women. It was their job to be an icon for the churchvand raise a loving family.
BTW the orthodox church realizes that some marriages are better off ending in divorce and the marriage is dissolved in church itself. Courtroom divorces are looked down upon. Everything should happen in the presence of god and saints.
The concubines part is indirectly addressed when he said you shouldn't have sex apart from marriage. Besides, I doubt having concubines was socially acceptable in jesus' time. I could be wrong though. Haven't done research on it.
and please excuse me, I won't be able to reply for at least 12 hours so don't get impatient.

Fun fact- birth control is allowed in orthodox church. (Only in marriage)

PS- Luckie's a woman? ??

[Aractus]

See Deuteronomy 24, men can divorce their wives but wives are not to divorce their husbands. Numbers 27:8 - daughters only get an inheritance if there are no sons.

[genkaus]

No one asks Jews what they think of the old testament.

You see any Jews around here? That's why.

[rexbeccarox]

Yes, exactly, what the others said. Jesus was as Jewish as matzos and briskets. You can't dissociate him from his religion, as he did not intend to invent a new one. As you know, in the olden days only Jews could become Christians because it was an add on. The hypothetical J never intended for barbarians and goyim like us to become his followers.Well he thought the world was about to end, so that wouldn't have been an issue in his eyes anyways

I think you mean



Bris.

Not



Brisket.



Thank you. That was so funny.

[Minimalist]

The only jew I met and asked agreed that jahweh is a prick. And that was a dude all dressed up jewish.

There are nutty orthodox jews but the problem is they bear no relation to the temple-sacrificing "jews" depicted in the bible. That shit ended when the Romans burned the fucking temple to the ground. They then had to re-invent themselves.

She was, but got better.

Was she turned into a newt?

[Mystical]

That's all I heard when he said that, "I'm not dead yet! I got better."

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Luckie, in my opinion the law which moses gave refers solely to the 10 commandments. Think about the other laws.

1) the other laws explained that if you sin you would have to sacrifice an animal. But jesus got rid of that.

2) Adulterers were to be stoned. You know what he did about that.

3) To stone and kill an offender would not go well with "love your neighbour" and "judge not lest you be judged. "

So the only laws which jesus supported were the 10 commandments

The real Ten Commandments are found in Exodus 34:10-28. There's no example of Jesus following any of them.

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The parable of the good Samaritan is one of the best moral teachings and is not an addition.

Jesus was accused of being a Samaritan himself. He refused to answer the question. The Old Testament contains a prophecy about the Jews and Samaritans becoming united. That's probably why the story of the good Samaritan is included in the New Testament.

[vorlon13]

A small quibble, most folks refer to that as the story of the good Samaritan.

Nowhere in the text of the story does the word 'good' appear. If the Samaritan was 'good', why wouldn't he stop and help the guy in the road?

If you delete the word 'good', and the ordinary, regular, run of the mill, plain vanilla Samaritan still manages to stop and render aid, see how the meaning of the parable is changed ??

(Isaac Asimov noted this like 50 years ago, he had a great point, and I would hope it has increased relevance today as to when he penned it)

[Mystical]

Its pretty clear that not a single stroke or letter should pass from the law, Orthodox Christian. (forgive me but I haven't encountered your version of Christianity before). I am slightly affronted that you seem to believe we all disbelieve Christianity for non reasons. What say you to Min's post? Did you read my post? Jesus makes it abundantly clear that you're wrong, sir. How about addressing these two that I already quoted?

"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)


Did he or did he not, when Pharisees called him out for not washing his hands before eating, say in response, that since they haven't killed their own kids they should shut it?
“He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” (Matthew 15:4-7)
He also says it here: Mark.7:9-13 "Whoever curses father or mother shall die" (Mark 7:10 NAB)

Me thinks luckie is closet member of biblical Christianity.

If I weren't aware of science and archaeology, and was ok with everyone I know going to hell and pretty much all of the OT bullshit 'god' supposedly did, maybe I would be. As it stands: Your god's a giant stain on humanity, and I dont think he exists. If he did, I still wouldn't consider him worthy of anything but a swift kick in his proverbial donkey.

Me thinks you're an atheist but you're too scared to drop the veil of safety and admit that shit just happens, ultimate justice is a fantasy, the majority of the world is fighting over nothing, and you married a prude.

Am I right?