Rape victim sentenced to death in Iran.

[DramaQueen]

And they hang gay people

[Heywood]

Tell you what, move to Iran and see if you can hand out bibles door to door then come back and tell me I am engaging in demagoguery.

You are the fucking idiot who points out "their" instead of "there" when the law itself written for a theocracy.

Now when you can prove to me Iran is secular and not a theocracy then I will shut up. You are staring at my finger when I am pointing at the moon moron.

Iran's misdeeds have nothing to do with your misdeeds. You either:

A) lied because you are a liar
B) engaged in demagoguery because you are a demagogue
C) misunderstood the facts because you are a moron.

Which one is it?

[DramaQueen]

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[Brian37]

Tell you what, move to Iran and see if you can hand out bibles door to door then come back and tell me I am engaging in demagoguery.

You are the fucking idiot who points out "their" instead of "there" when the law itself written for a theocracy.

Now when you can prove to me Iran is secular and not a theocracy then I will shut up. You are staring at my finger when I am pointing at the moon moron.

Iran's misdeeds have nothing to do with your misdeeds. You either:

A) lied because you are a liar
B) engaged in demagoguery because you are a demagogue
C) misunderstood the facts because you are a moron.

Which one is it?

Did you have sex with Ray Comfort because your breath smells like his sperm.

What missdeeds? Oh you mean being imperfect? Yes that is worth a death sentence.

Once again fuckwad, if you are more focused on me than what they do you are a fucking idiot. The worst you get from me when I disagree with you is a "fuck you". You disagree with their state you get arrested or executed.

Call me a moron all you want, see that is the difference between the east and the west, and for you to equate anything I have done wrong to the same level of crime the theocracy of Iran commits on a daily basis says tons about your priorities.

You are too fucking stupid to see that you have the luxury to confront me and in Iran you do not have that right. The only people in Iran with any rights are Shiites and even then that is as long as you kiss the states ass.

And no mistake you want to accuse me of changes the fact that women are NOT anywhere closely treated like women in the west.

Keep staring at my finger dipshit.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Iran executes gays and just now executed a women for her own rape.

The reason why you are getting so much push-back here is not because people are oblivious to the issues of Islam's misogyny, it's because you insist on mischaracterizing why she was executed.

Mind you, I'm not arguing the merits of the case for or against her at all. I'm telling you that your rhetoric is not supported by the available reporting. When you overstep evidentiary support, you undermine your own credibility.

[Brian37]

And they hang gay people

Yea so according to him we should ignore the murdered woman executed by a very theocratic and sexist state. Why? Because he cant find the word "rape" in the written law, missing the fucking point that it would be no different than blacks being expected to trust a court system under segregation.

It is on the books, because they are getting their laws from the Koran. No different than the same "wink wink" that allowed citizens of Salem Mass to execute women with stacked male juries because of the words "thou shalt not suffer a witch to live". He'd be the moron saying "where are you seeing those words?"


Now lets see him argue "where do you see laws saying gays should be executed"?

I am sure gays are not being executed if we go by his logic. Just like in America there are no "wink wink" literal bible verses copied from Leviticus that are xeroxed into written law, that has allowed gays to be discriminated against and prevented them for far to long from having equal rights.

We must be imagining these things.

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Iran executes gays and just now executed a women for her own rape.

The reason why you are getting so much push-back here is not because people are oblivious to the issues of Islam's misogyny, it's because you insist on mischaracterizing why she was executed.

Mind you, I'm not arguing the merits of the case for or against her at all. I'm telling you that your rhetoric is not supported by the available reporting. When you overstep evidentiary support, you undermine your own credibility.

No I am not.

She got executed because she has a vagina and cannot use the same defense a man would if attacked even for non sexual assault.

Again you miss the bigger picture that was much the case in America. Getting stuck on words rather than actions and mentality is what you are doing.

When my sister was raped, back then, the mentality was that if you wore tight clothing or went somewhere with a man you just met, which is what she did, then she was at fault and not the man.

If you are going to rightfully call them misogynistic then accept that it is a stacked deck and that the laws are coming from the Koran.

Just like even today you do not have to find the word "Leviticus" in written law to know that Christian bigots have voted to ban gay marriage.

You do not have to literally see "The bible says being gay is a sin" written into law, you still know it is why the discriminatory laws have existed.

She was executed for having a vagina.

[Losty]

You really really like to put words in other people's mouths. If you want to spew unproven or untrue shit and have everyone react indignantly at such unjust horrors...take it to facebook. If you want to discuss unjust horrors here, I suggest you step up your game and actually research your horrors before you post about them. Most people here care about facts and evidence. We know Iran has a fucked up government. We know many people are being denied basic human rights. We don't need a fake or exaggerated news story to convince us.

[Thumpalumpacus]

No I am not.

She got executed because she has a vagina and cannot use the same defense a man would if attacked even for non sexual assault.

You said as much right here, on the first page of this thread:

Amnesty International is trying to prevent her from being executed for being a a rape victim.

Only when that mistake was pointed out did you move on, without acknowledging that you misstated the facts. That is why people are getting on your case.

Again you miss the bigger picture that was much the case in America. Getting stuck on words rather than actions and mentality is what you are doing.

No, what I was trying to do was to point out why your flawed presentation marred this thread, and how you could improve it so that the next time the focus remains on the issue, rather than your linguistic skill, or lack thereof.

Believe me -- as someone who follows matters in Iran rather closely, I didn't need your link to tell me that that country has serious problems with a justice system infused with Islamic values. I'm not missing anything; I'm trying to help you get better at making your point.

When my sister was raped, back then, the mentality was that if you wore tight clothing or went somewhere with a man you just met, which is what she did, then she was at fault and not the man.

If you are going to rightfully call them misogynistic then accept that it is a stacked deck and that the laws are coming from the Koran.

Just like even today you do not have to find the word "Leviticus" in written law to know that Christian bigots have voted to ban gay marriage.

You do not have to literally see "The bible says being gay is a sin" written into law, you still know it is why the discriminatory laws have existed.

She was executed for having a vagina.

No. She was executed for killing a man. Her defense was probably hampered by the fact that she was a woman. That doesn't mean that she was killed for having a vagina.

Say what you mean, and mean what you say. When you stray from that most basic of maxims a writer ought to obey, you are engaging in rhetoric, and deserve the comeuppance you are receiving.


The facts here are awful enough without your overstatements. By making your overstatements, you do your own cause a disservice.

Hope that helps.

[Violet]

Not at all not, don't be silly. I am ticked at ignorance and bad use of logic. You do not fix a problem without accepting that it is a problem.

Okay. How is this 'The West's problem? I could maybe see it as Turkey's problem, or Saudi's problem... but none of this matters to us. If we *do* have a problem with this, it's mostly because *we* bombed them.

Hell, the USA not only allows the cartels just over our border to traffic persons and drugs: it has helped some cartels (Sinaloa) to gain an edge over their competition.

Once you stop focusing so hard on the middle east, the 'problems' of the middle east tend to stay around the middle east.

I am using segregation in our history to serve as an example institutionalized laws that stack the deck against a particular segment of society. In the case of Iran, that law is on the books. That law is sexist, there is no way any women can have confidence in a system that punishes you for something that happened to you.

And there's no reason that anyone should have confidence in a system that can get an utterly innocent person jailed without having done anything expressly illegal, or legally rob them of hundreds of thousands of dollars net worth of property on an individual policeman's estimation of probable cause.

That's our system, by the way.

Just like no black person during segregation could have confidence in laws or courts that were stacked against them even before they got accused of something.

Still happens since these laws disappeared. Bias is a powerful thing, and it's a self-perpetuating bias.

This is where we go back to my "blame white people" philosophy, no?

It is not a black or white issue. If you came out as an Atheist if you lived in Saudi Arabia, how much confidence would you have in their court system? How easy would it be for a fundy living there, to accuse another Muslim of being an atheist, even if they were not?

Why would my ideology apply to being accused of illegality in Saudi? Why would their accusation hold up (especially if they are indeed not)?

Please tell me you are not that dense to understand that?

I've yet to see anything that I'm supposed to understand. Care to help me with that?

The laws in Iran are not only stacked against women, they are stacked against non Shiites, including Sunni Muslims. At best you get by in that country if you keep your mouth shut.

That's how you survive best in every country, and it applies well to every person living in it, regardless their 'privilege'.

Iran has traffic lights too, that doesn't make them western and secular.

Iran is a theocracy. I really have no idea what you're getting at here.

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Tell you what, move to Iran and see if you can hand out bibles door to door then come back and tell me I am engaging in demagoguery.

Right, and that comes off better than handing them any other book of religious or political origin?

Now when you can prove to me Iran is secular and not a theocracy then I will shut up. You are staring at my finger when I am pointing at the moon moron.

Theocracy does not also mean 'irrational', and it does not also mean 'without a code of laws strictly adhered to'.

Secular literally only means that religion has no significant role in it. That religion does here does not change the fact of law.

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Did you have sex with Ray Comfort because your breath smells like his sperm.

... How do you know what Ray Comfort's sperm smel-oh. Now I get it.

Hey hey... I'm not gonna be judging or nothing, man.

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Now lets see him argue "where do you see laws saying gays should be executed"?

Uganda, after some heavy christian influence.

Oh, and that would be the Uganda of the past. It's since been overturned. Have a gay day

She got executed because she has a vagina and cannot use the same defense a man would if attacked even for non sexual assault.

Honestly, it's got less to do with the pussy, and more to do with societal expectation of appearance during argument. Bit more nuanced.

When my sister was raped, back then, the mentality was that if you wore tight clothing or went somewhere with a man you just met, which is what she did, then she was at fault and not the man.

The former's mentality is still largely there, and... they're probably in part at fault. Legal parallel is criminal negligence (failure to use reasonable care).

The latter could easily be argued as risk-seeking behavior. Were I the defendant of the rapist, that would indeed be among my observations. I'd take care to avoid suggesting the guilt of the whatever who 'raped' her... instead turning the tables and accusing her of preying upon my client.

She was executed for having a vagina.

Assertion without evidence. Do you have evidence, or are you gonna putter like this all day?