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RE: Your stance on Hard Atheism
October 27, 2014 at 7:54 pm
(October 27, 2014 at 7:49 pm)Blackout Wrote: (October 27, 2014 at 7:31 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Read what he said. He said he doesn't believe that it exists, that's not the same as claiming it's impossible. Take an intro to reading comprehension and stop talking down to us.
Correcting - I believe Santa does not exist, I am making a positive claim. I am a gnostic atheist. Our Christian friend was correct.
I've had introduction to philosophy - I cannot say I am 100% right, because there's a tiny chance I am not - But I can say that, with the current knowledge, I am capable of making the positive claim that god doesn't exist. I could also be wrong that gravity exists, it's just unlikely. Evidence agnostic atheists require to be a gnostic atheist is ridiculous. I don't need to be 100% certain of anything to have knowledge, otherwise everything I had been learning over the years could as well be wrong.
Well then I certainly hope you are just as open to uncertain evidence from God if he chooses to communicate his existence to you in that fashion. Most atheists, like Boru, are not.
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RE: Your stance on Hard Atheism
October 27, 2014 at 7:55 pm
Thanks for speaking for most atheists. Like most Christians, you're incredibly presumptuous. (See how shitty that is?)
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RE: Your stance on Hard Atheism
October 27, 2014 at 7:55 pm
(October 27, 2014 at 7:52 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: I'm Not holding my breath. He hasn't gotten off his ass to show me so far so I'm not expecting him to.
He's obligated to love you, not to like you. You don't appear to be giving him any reason to at the moment.
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RE: Your stance on Hard Atheism
October 27, 2014 at 7:56 pm
Then he obviously doesn't love me enough to show that he exists. Thanks for nothing God~
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RE: Your stance on Hard Atheism
October 27, 2014 at 7:56 pm
(October 27, 2014 at 7:55 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Thanks for speaking for most atheists. Like most Christians, you're incredibly presumptuous. (See how shitty that is?)
No, I would agree that most Christians are presumptuous, so it doesn't really apply.
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RE: Your stance on Hard Atheism
October 27, 2014 at 7:57 pm
At least you're admitting it, that's the first step to solution~
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RE: Your stance on Hard Atheism
October 27, 2014 at 8:01 pm
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(October 27, 2014 at 7:09 pm)trmof Wrote: (October 27, 2014 at 6:58 pm)Chas Wrote: You made a claim about their motivations. Support it or shut the fuck up.
I dismiss claims for which you provide no evidence. You have not even attempted to support your assertions.
I would happily discuss anything of substance, but you have presented no such thing.
Fair enough, if you are able to provide me with evidence of my own motivations, I will provide you with evidence of their motivations.
You are joking, correct? You made a claim that they were motivated by atheism, you must support it or we will dismiss it.
Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
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RE: Your stance on Hard Atheism
October 27, 2014 at 8:01 pm
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(October 27, 2014 at 7:57 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: At least you're admitting it, that's the first step to solution~
On a related note, I have so far posted three topics on this forum, none of which were about me or my religion. Every single one of them was derailed into a debate about me and my religion almost immediately. I would posit that this does not happen nearly as often on Christian forums when atheists show up.
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RE: Your stance on Hard Atheism
October 27, 2014 at 8:04 pm
Um..Kay.
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RE: Your stance on Hard Atheism
October 27, 2014 at 8:11 pm
(October 27, 2014 at 8:01 pm)Chas Wrote: (October 27, 2014 at 7:09 pm)trmof Wrote: Fair enough, if you are able to provide me with evidence of my own motivations, I will provide you with evidence of their motivations.
You are joking, correct? You made a claim that they were motivated by atheism, you must support it or we will dismiss it.
I made no such claim, I merely pointed out that they were atheists. I made no comment on their motivations.
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