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What if Obama...?
October 31, 2014 at 11:04 am
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RE: What if Obama...?
October 31, 2014 at 11:26 am
What if worms had machine guns? Birds wouldn't fuck with them.
I agree that Obama has had a harder time of things due to his race, and his name, as well. Both factors feed the xenophobia that the extremely conservative Americans seem to feel.
Also, the quotes you grabbed are pretty ambiguous, featuring both praise and criticism.
I think your hypothetical scenario is not how it would play out, though. Presidents don't get impeached for getting upset. They get impeached for catching blowjobs. And that includes white Presidents, too.
Individual media outlets have their own biases. Fox is irredeemably conservative, the New York Times irredeemably liberal, and I don't think that's going to change any time soon. The media as a whole seems to me to have had a liberal bent in the past, but I haven't consumed mass media in a few years so I can't speak to the state of affairs today.
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RE: What if Obama...?
October 31, 2014 at 11:35 am
(October 31, 2014 at 11:26 am)Parkers Tan Wrote: What if worms had machine guns? Birds wouldn't fuck with them.
I agree that Obama has had a harder time of things due to his race, and his name, as well. Both factors feed the xenophobia that the extremely conservative Americans seem to feel.
Also, the quotes you grabbed are pretty ambiguous, featuring both praise and criticism.
I think your hypothetical scenario is not how it would play out, though. Presidents don't get impeached for getting upset. They get impeached for catching blowjobs. And that includes white Presidents, too.
Individual media outlets have their own biases. Fox is irredeemably conservative, the New York Times irredeemably liberal, and I don't think that's going to change any time soon. The media as a whole seems to me to have had a liberal bent in the past, but I haven't consumed mass media in a few years so I can't speak to the state of affairs today.
Fox News is blatantly conservative, MSNBC is blatantly progressive. CNN is closet liberal. You're not going to get away from an agenda. Best thing is to take your news in from a wide variety of sources and filter out the BS.
I look at Fox News, MSNBC, CNN, Al Jazeera, Russian Times, and the BBC. Does anyone have any recommendations of sites I should be adding?
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RE: What if Obama...?
October 31, 2014 at 11:49 am
So you don't know shit from shinola about the media, either.
You've got nearly a perfect track record, Woodie. Fucked-up on EVERYTHING.
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RE: What if Obama...?
October 31, 2014 at 11:51 am
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(October 31, 2014 at 11:26 am)Parkers Tan Wrote: I agree that Obama has had a harder time of things due to his race, and his name, as well. Both factors feed the xenophobia that the extremely conservative Americans seem to feel.
Most of all, he's a Democrat and perceived by the right to be a liberal (in reality, he's an Eisenhower Republican). Bill Clinton encountered the same vitriol and double standards and he's a white male.
Quote:Also, the quotes you grabbed are pretty ambiguous, featuring both praise and criticism.
But they were from "liberal" MSNBC and the point is that the criticism was along the lines of "oh, that's Christie for you". It's a far cry from what it would be if it had been a Democrat or a "liberal".
Quote:I think your hypothetical scenario is not how it would play out, though. Presidents don't get impeached for getting upset. They get impeached for catching blowjobs. And that includes white Presidents, too.
If the Republicans take the Senate, you will see Obama be impeached. As other Republicans have openly said, the reasons can be found later but the important thing is getting the votes in the Senate and House to do it.
Quote:Individual media outlets have their own biases. Fox is irredeemably conservative, the New York Times irredeemably liberal,
So "liberal" that they played along with the run up to the Iraq War, offering Cheney the justification he needed. Any delusions that we have a liberal media should have been dispelled by the W administration. The media acted like cheerleaders in the run up and then swept it under the rug after the dust settled.
(October 31, 2014 at 11:35 am)Heywood Wrote: Fox News is blatantly conservative, Propaganda akin to "Pravda" of the former Soviet Union.
Quote:MSNBC is blatantly progressive.
On what planet? Sure they have Maddow in the evening but they have Scarborough in the morning for three hours. And Scarborough swings a heavier bat at MSNBC than Maddow. And did you see the clip I posted? Lukewarm liberal at best.
Quote:CNN is closet liberal.
CNN is Fox lite. Sometimes they want to be Fox so badly they can taste it.
Quote:Best thing is to take your news in from a wide variety of sources and filter out the BS.
Quite agreed. Six corporations control the media in America so even at MSNBC you will get the corporate friendly spin, particularly on matters of war since it's owner, GE, is a military contractor.
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RE: What if Obama...?
October 31, 2014 at 11:58 am
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I think the real problem is that the masses can't understand the media has gone from reporting to the news to simply being mouthpieces for op-eds. There's so much opinion and bias injected into the way not only the news is presented, but what news is selected to report. The people need information, not half-truths and sensationalized broadcasts.
As long as general population can't make that distinction, they'll continue accept the reality they are spoon-fed by the media.
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RE: What if Obama...?
October 31, 2014 at 12:04 pm
In 2001 you basically had a right wing coup with some right judges giving your country to the losing republican candidate and hardly a murmur was uttered by the "liberal media".
America seems a bit like a banana republic with nukes sometimes.
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RE: What if Obama...?
October 31, 2014 at 12:07 pm
(October 31, 2014 at 12:04 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: In 2001 you basically had a right wing coup with some right judges giving your country to the losing republican candidate and hardly a murmur was uttered by the "liberal media". Actually, there was much discussion in the "liberal media" about how we needed to urgently declare a winner because we're on a tight schedule and asserted the American people just wanted this resolved quickly (we did?). And why is Gore making so much trouble? Why is he being such a sore loser?
Quote:America seems a bit like a banana republic with nukes sometimes.
Feels that way here too, sometimes.
Officially, we're no longer a democracy. We're an oligarchy. The courts pretty much handed the wealthy control of the elections with their "Citizens United" decision.
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RE: What if Obama...?
October 31, 2014 at 12:10 pm
FOX would have lost its mind, D-P.
There's nothing they hate more than an uppity nigger!
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RE: What if Obama...?
October 31, 2014 at 12:31 pm
(October 31, 2014 at 11:58 am)Faith No More Wrote: As long as general population can't make that distinction, they'll continue accept the reality they are spoon-fed by the media.
I'll pile on by saying the majority of the general population don't care to make the distinction. There is no better measure of this than the fact that confirming bias is far more profitable via the ratings system than factual dissemination of news and meaningful balanced debate.
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