Voter ID laws and Marriage

[Faith No More]

[Heywood]

Voter ID laws only provide superficial confidence, because the abuse it prevents is minor. I'd be more worried about the move to electronic voting and the potential abuse it brings if you're truly concerned.

What is superficial confidence?

[Neo-Scholastic]

I often hear from the left that voter ID laws disenfranchise certain people who have difficulty obtaining IDs. Usually its minorities and elderly. A friend of mine complains vehemently about it.....how peoples rights are restricted and such and such.

Well if that is the case why don't the far lefties complain about ID requirements to obtain a marriage license? Marriage is a right too.....isn't it?

...but state recognition of same is not.

[Faith No More]

What is superficial confidence?

It's when you have confidence in something that if you examined more deeply, you wouldn't have confidence in. I meant that voter ID laws give the appearance of having a legitimate voting system without truly addressing the potential for abuse inside the system.

[Heywood]

What is superficial confidence?

It's when you have confidence in something that if you examined more deeply, you wouldn't have confidence in. I meant that voter ID laws give the appearance of having a legitimate voting system without truly addressing the potential for abuse inside the system.

Sounds to me superficial confidence means you can dismiss people's confidence because you believe they would reach the same conclusions as you only if they thought like you.

Stop telling people what conclusions they will draw.

[Chas]

It's when you have confidence in something that if you examined more deeply, you wouldn't have confidence in. I meant that voter ID laws give the appearance of having a legitimate voting system without truly addressing the potential for abuse inside the system.

Sounds to me superficial confidence means you can dismiss people's confidence because you believe they would reach the same conclusions as you only if they thought like you.

Stop telling people what conclusions they will draw.

Not exactly. He's equating superficial confidence with shallow understanding leading to a facile, false approach.

He's not telling you what conclusion to draw, he's telling you you're overestimating the importance of the problem.

[Heywood]

First of all voting is the right from which all other rights and interests flow. If minorities or the elderly felt that marriage license laws were overly burdensome, they would have little if any voice in changing that burden without the right to vote.

You are implying that voter ID laws take away a person's right to vote. They do not. Also, You need to balance minority and elderly needs with the needs of the overall electorate to feel confident in the election. What steps should be taken to insure a fair and honest election? Well that's a question best answered by the electorate. After all the election belongs to the entire electorate and not some tiny fraction of it.

Next there are considerations of time frame and customary expectation. Production of a birth certificate, and other documentation such as marriage certificates and divorce decrees, not to mention death certificates for former spouses are all traditionally expected when applying for a marriage license. And they are documents most people have whether they drive or not.

Nor is there a marriage deadline that you can miss after which you don't get to marry, though for people who worry about children born out of wedlock there may be a non-legal deadline. Should you not bring the proper documentation the first time, you can go home and collect it even if that requires a calling county clerks offices in other states. Not so voting. If you don't have the proper ID on the day of election you are SOL for that election. Ditto registering for the election.

Elections are not spontaneous events. The dates, polling places, and ballots, are produced well in advance. Plenty of time for a voter to obtain proper ID.

Further we require people to produce IDs to buy cough syrup or get onto an airplane. Colds and emergent travel are spontaneous events that are harder to plan ahead for than an election well publicized in advanced. By requiring such ID are not we also infringing on the rights of elderly and minority to obtain medicine or travel freely? Why isn't the far left screaming about that? They don't really care about minorities or elderly people. They want to demonize the right with this issue by calling them racist and such.

[Cato]

[Heywood]

[Jenny A]