Heads up for theists

[dyresand]

Pretty much, yes.

But I'm open to any suggestions of modern knowledge being included. We can discard flat earth and pillars of heaven beforehand.

well for starters, the Bible has stated that time is relative long before Einstien.

Also according to science, an atom is 99.99% empty space. If you were to remove the empty space contained by atoms from humans, you could condense everyone on the planet down to the size of a sugar cube. What does this mean? It meas the world around you is not a psychical as you think. there is no such thing as a "solid" and technically, everything should be invisible.

“If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration.” - Nikola Tesla

The reason we can detect and interact with the world around us is because our bodies are tuned in to the same frequency, for instance, you should fall through a chair when you sit on it, but the energy fields created by you and the chair repel each other and you actually hover above the chair. Jesus walking through walls doesn't seem so crazy now, does it?

John 20
19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

Also the Bible states were surrounded by an invisible world that we can't see, but I don't think I'll get into all that.

2 Kings 6
11 Therefore the heart of the king of Syria was sore troubled for this thing; and he called his servants, and said unto them, Will ye not shew me which of us is for the king of Israel?
12 And one of his servants said, None, my lord, O king: but Elisha, the prophet that is in Israel, telleth the king of Israel the words that thou speakest in thy bedchamber.
13 And he said, Go and spy where he is, that I may send and fetch him. And it was told him, saying, Behold, he is in Dothan.
14 Therefore sent he thither horses, and chariots, and a great host: and they came by night, and compassed the city about.
15 And when the servant of the man of God was risen early, and gone forth, behold, an host compassed the city both with horses and chariots. And his servant said unto him, Alas, my master! how shall we do?
16 And he answered, Fear not: for they that be with us are more than they that be with them.
17 And Elisha prayed, and said, Lord, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the Lord opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.

And again you cant prove the bible knows about science. the biggest difference those are smart people sure they believed in god for their time though if they were alive today their views would radically change from theist to atheist. we have enough information now about the world and the universe we live in to say hey we don't need a god he isn't present. as for the empty parts of space its either dark matter we can detect it or actually nothing physical is present. If there is other sentient being out there in the universe and even in our galaxy which the probability of it being high i can say for sure the views on religion would change dramatically or some crazy theist would say those creatures were made by the devil.

[Neo-Scholastic]

There is nothing in that book that reflect our modern knowledge.

I do not think the human condition has changed much despite all our technological and scientific progress. To my mind the book of Ecclesiastes is just as modern as anything else.

[Brian37]

There is nothing in that book that reflect our modern knowledge.

I do not think the human condition has changed much despite all our technological and scientific progress. To my mind the book of Ecclesiastes is just as modern as anything else.

Um no, whatever "liberal" ideas or "progressive" ideas you can find in the bible, are simply our species reflection of our compassionate nature. Those acts are depicted throughout our species history and can be found in other religions as well.

Our morality is not in holy books, it is in our evolution. Our ability to be cruel or compassionate is in us.

You point to that book in retrofit, not because it invented human morality. There are other parts of that same bible that even today, are used to justify bigotry and homophobia.

Ramadan teaches Muslims to know their blessings and have sympathy for others with less. It is no different a motif than Jesus feeding the multitudes. It does not prove the existence of either god. It only shows that humans make up religions because they do not understand their own capability of cruelty or compassion are in them.

"To your mind" only means you are reaching back. It does not mean those who wrote that book had any modern knowledge.

[Godscreated]

Christians who practice the teachings of Christ know they are no better than anyone else, we're forgiven is the only difference. Christ taught that we are to be the least while here on earth, so that we can be first in the Kingdom. Your perception of Christian intent seems to be quite askew from reality.

GC

He is right you have the world view of having dominion over the lesser like animals and plants. Literally the bible tell you that you have dominion over plants and animals. Genesis 1:26 you cant deny that.

The goats and weeds and ect. refer to people in the parables Jesus us to teach His disciples. Good grief is the Bible teachings that far over your head. Yes I am as all others who are sensible above the animals and plants. God gave man dominion over these things, we're to take care of them, but man found he would rather have dominion over money. I've said all I'm going to on this thread, never intended to do this much until I saw how hopeless your Bible knowledge is.

GC

[Drich]

Wasn't mr. Drysdale the name of the banker on the Beverly hill-billies?

[dyresand]

He is right you have the world view of having dominion over the lesser like animals and plants. Literally the bible tell you that you have dominion over plants and animals. Genesis 1:26 you cant deny that.

The goats and weeds and ect. refer to people in the parables Jesus us to teach His disciples. Good grief is the Bible teachings that far over your head. Yes I am as all others who are sensible above the animals and plants. God gave man dominion over these things, we're to take care of them, but man found he would rather have dominion over money. I've said all I'm going to on this thread, never intended to do this much until I saw how hopeless your Bible knowledge is.

GC

But money is good trading it for services is even better. money isn't the root of all evil it backs evil because money has power. he who holds wealth holds power those with power can do good or bad with it. so if i want a wave rider and have a good time i fall into being neutral if i do good things that makes me good. if i start a holy war to eradicate Canaanites i am evil. so the reasoning for the crusades were more about delusional fits and people just wanted to have a justified reason to kill and exercise their power on poor unsuspecting people. Religion like Islam, Muslim, and Christianity done horrible shit. more horrible shit than good shit to humanity mind you.