Eternal punishment is pointless.

[Whateverist]

Godschild, did you ask your doctor if you're healthy enough for arguing with godless heathens? Just remember to have a good time. Try to laugh at yourself once in a while. In the big scheme of things what's a few dozen more atheists burning in hell really matter? Maybe we're needed to keep heaven nice and toasty for you and the other elect. Or maybe death is simply the end.

[Cyberman]

Still just babbling aren't you, by the way I have no imaginary friends.

No, of course not. Evasion noted and logged.

[dyresand]

Still just babbling aren't you, by the way I have no imaginary friends.

No, of course not. Evasion noted and logged.

XD no imaginary friends says the theist who believes in god who hasn't showed up or even wanted to make himself appear to humans in a modern age.

[Drich]

If you want to talk about the God of the Bible or the Hell of the bible then it is to the bible we must turn to for reference.

Or the older mythology it is based on.

By the way, the Catholic doctrine also has abolished the eternal fire part.

The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God, in whom alone man can possess the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs.

I hope that is not a quote from what the Catholics believe.

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Not my thread sport.

I was simply speaking to the OP.

If you dont want to read about lex or vader then maybe you should stay away from threads that speak about which ever lex or vader puts you in a tail spin.

I will speak to whatever I want.

You are the one with the god claim. You are the one who believes in a heaven and hell, not me. You are reacting to to my criticisms of the concepts of such things. Wouldn't be too hard to quell those with that pesky think called "evidence", that neither you or anyone in human history have.

The Ancient Egyptians had a concept of an afterlife too, but you rightfully reject that myth that is now dead. You simply do not like me making the parallels.

One could start a brand new religion and make new claims about a reward/punishment motif, and market it to gullible people and have it grow to be believed to be true. Mormons have their own hokey afterlife claims too. Do you believe you are going to get your own planet after you die? Do you believe that Joseph Smith is going to sit next to Jesus and judge you after you die? Do you believe that Osirus and Horus are going to judge you after you die?

No? Good, I would hope you do rightfully reject those absurd claims. Now exactly how is your desire for a utopia after you die, and the promise of reward after you die, any more real than the other utopia motifs claimed in human history any more real?

What would be so frightening about accepting your finite existence? Is your pre birth non existence frightening? You are not frightened by a pre birth Allah existence. You are not frightened by pre Karma prior lives some claim. So exactly why should I be frightened by your claims of hell that you think are true?

Do you really want me to take the time to examine and break down your arguement or are you just looking for the last word here?

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The Absents of God is the defination of Hell.

So basically it will be like living on Earth because I sure haven't seen any sky daddy in the 45 years I've been alive.

If you were blind does it mean color and light does not exist? If you were def does it mean sound or better yet music can not exist? How narrow must a mind be to define the whole universe, and speak from a position of absolute certainty just by what it has experiences over the course of a few decades..

Being on earth is being in the presents of creation or in turn the presents of God. Just because you are blind and def to Him does not mean He is not here.

[Ryantology]

Being on earth is being in the presents of creation or in turn the presents of God. Just because you are blind and def to Him does not mean He is not here.

Though lacking in self-awareness, I recently read something someone said that sums up the flaws of the assertion quoted above:

How narrow must a mind be to define the whole universe, and speak from a position of absolute certainty just by what it has experiences over the course of a few decades..

[Godscreated]

The Son was dead for three days, haven't you ever read the scriptures, if not why are you trying to arguing them, if you have you certainly haven't learned a thing.

Either your god died, and gave himself as a sacrifice; or he didn't. Don't point me to the Bible; I've read it and find it entirely unconvincing. I'm asking you, as a thinking person, to explain it as you understand it.

I'll point you to the Bible every time you say something that is wrong, it's what I should do.

How do you understand this? Is your Christ both the son of your god, and your god himself?

Christ is one person of the Godhead, He is both the Son and God. I don't expect you to understand this but, it's not my fault you can't.

If so, when he was killed, how did your god continue living?

Christ became a man, that's the only way He could have died. He gave up all He was in heaven to come here and live as a man and die as a sinless man.

Was your Christ only a representative of your god's ka? if so, why should his death be regarded as a sacrifice?

I believe the answers above answer this question.

Lay out your thinking, in clear English. A sacrifice is meaningless if nothing is given up. Did your god die on the cross?

Yes He did, is that plain enough for you. Christ left heaven and gave up everything He was there to die for mankind, the mankind He loves.

It's a simple answer: yes, or no. Did he die at Calvary?

Yes He died at Calvary and rose to life three days later a short distance away. You're working awfully hard to trap me into something.

GC

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No, of course not. Evasion noted and logged.

XD no imaginary friends says the theist who believes in god who hasn't showed up or even wanted to make himself appear to humans in a modern age.

Sorry you haven't seen Him, I have and know He's real.

GC

[The Grand Nudger]

Hold the phone! You've seen a god? I have questions....

Where? From what distance? How big was it (best guess judging by any object of reference available when you were looking at it - and, related...what else did you see when you saw a god?). Does it have any defining characteristics? Color, general shape? Was anything about it's composition obvious by sight?

[Whateverist]

Probably just another snipe.

[Godscreated]

Godschild, did you ask your doctor if you're healthy enough for arguing with godless heathens? Just remember to have a good time. Try to laugh at yourself once in a while. In the big scheme of things what's a few dozen more atheists burning in hell really matter? Maybe we're needed to keep heaven nice and toasty for you and the other elect. Or maybe death is simply the end.

What I know is death is not the end and it does concern me that so many here choose to spend an eternity in hell, it actually gives me a bad feeling in my heart. It does matters to me, if it didn't do you really think I would have stayed here as long as I have.

GC

[Whateverist]

Yeah, I know. Well thanks for the concern but I'm really fine with an after life as compost. Try to have some fun just in case I'm right .. but don't over do it.