So you when to hell now what.

[FatAndFaithless]

How can one tell that someone else is "actually having an NDE?

That's the thing, you can't tell till someone comes back from being almost dead, and tells you.

Which is also why it can never be tested (ethically).

So there's no way to scientifically test them, NDE testimony is pure anecdote, and vary vastly from person to person.

How exactly can you use this as evidence for anything?

[dyresand]

That's the thing, you can't tell till someone comes back from being almost dead, and tells you.

Which is also why it can never be tested (ethically).

So there's no way to scientifically test them, NDE testimony is pure anecdote, and vary vastly from person to person.

How exactly can you use this as evidence for anything?

when people have NDE's the usual god type talk about heaven and hell.
the brain has some residual activity when a person dies and when they are brought back they talk about their NDE or "hallucination".

[FatAndFaithless]

Yes...I'm aware.

[Huggy Bear]

So there's no way to scientifically test them, NDE testimony is pure anecdote, and vary vastly from person to person.

How exactly can you use this as evidence for anything?

I'm not using for evidence of anything other than to point out the hypocrisy of dismissing NDE's as "hallucinations" when it is pure conjecture with no scientific data behind it.

[robvalue]

Even if we can't explain it completely, it doesn't mean you just make up why it happens. Well you can, but it's stupid to do so.

Enough with the false dichotomies... If science can't 100% explain it then I win and my crazy explanation is the only thing left.

Is sick of this kind of retarded logic.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Even if we can't explain it completely, it doesn't mean you just make up why it happens. Well you can, but it's stupid to do so.

Enough with the false dichotomies... If science can't 100% explain it then I win and my crazy explanation is the only thing left.

Is sick of this kind of retarded logic.

Better get used to it. It's all they usually bring to the table.

[robvalue]

Yeah. I think it's like a special move in a computer game, you can't use the false dichotomy again for 5 minutes after it's been pointed out, but then it's back good as new to repeat.

I wouldn't have bought this crap when I was 5 years old, why people think I'm gonna buy it now is beyond me.

[dyresand]

Even if we can't explain it completely, it doesn't mean you just make up why it happens. Well you can, but it's stupid to do so.

Enough with the false dichotomies... If science can't 100% explain it then I win and my crazy explanation is the only thing left.

Is sick of this kind of retarded logic.

Better get used to it. It's all they usually bring to the table.

funny though we know why the was written bible the way it was and for the means of control and conquering. it survived this long as something to teach a dogma which is really in a sense inhuman to its moral core

[FatAndFaithless]

So there's no way to scientifically test them, NDE testimony is pure anecdote, and vary vastly from person to person.

How exactly can you use this as evidence for anything?

I'm not using for evidence of anything other than to point out the hypocrisy of dismissing NDE's as "hallucinations" when it is pure conjecture with no scientific data behind it.

So..then, again, what connection do NDEs have at all to the existence of an afterlife?

[Whateverist]

So there's no way to scientifically test them, NDE testimony is pure anecdote, and vary vastly from person to person.

How exactly can you use this as evidence for anything?

I'm not using for evidence of anything other than to point out the hypocrisy of dismissing NDE's as "hallucinations" when it is pure conjecture with no scientific data behind it.

Agreed. It is foolish to characterize as "near death" experiences for which there is no corroborating scientific data. First hand reports have their interest in psychology but it is hardly support for thinking experiences reported by living people tell us anything at all about the nature of death or dying.