So you when to hell now what.

[Huggy Bear]

As the Bible teaches, you existed long before your body was created and you'll exist long after it is gone. the only one with the power to destroy your essence is God.

And the Edda teaches us something different.

Unfettered will fare the Fenris Wolf
and ravaged the realm of men,
ere that cometh a kingly prince
as good, to stand in his stead.

So what's your point, since both are tales of the gods.

You should learn a little something about the history of religion.

before there were scriptures, there was the oral tradition, in fact the zodiac is a representation of the Bible, proving that at one point in time, everyone was on the same page.

for example, you have virgo the virgin (this one is obvious), scorpio used to be symbolized as an eagle in ancient times (http://www.cafeastrology.com/zodiacscorpio.html), so you have scorpio (eagle) tarus (bull) leo (lion) aquarius (man) representing the 4 beasts.

Ezekiel 1
10 As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle.

Revelation 4
And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle

As a side note, these 4 signs are connected with the Great Pyramid of Giza
http://www.soulsofdistortion.nl/Giza.html

Also the Sphinx on the Giza plateau fits into the grander picture of Hancock and Bauval’s theory. The Sphinx faces East at the exact location where the Sun rises on the day of the vernal equinox (21 March). At sunrise on the vernal equinox around 10.500 B.C. the Sun aligned itself with the constellation Leo, its own celestial counterpart image in the sky! Analysis of the Sphinx tells us that it symbolizes all of the four cardinal signs on the Zodiacal wheel, Leo, Taurus, Aquarius and Scorpio (the latter sign is often depicted as an eagle). The Sphinx has the body of a bull (Taurus), the wings of an eagle (Scorpio) the face of a man (Aquarius, water bearer) and an overall appearance of a lion (Leo)

The establishment of Babel (Babylon, a great civilization of ancient times), ushered in Polytheism which spread from Babel into Egypt, from Egypt to Greece, and from Greece into the world.

My point is, every polytheistic religion can be traced back to Babel.

[FatAndFaithless]

Is...is this an episode of Ancient Aliens from the History channel? Sounds like it..

[The Valkyrie]

And the Edda teaches us something different.


So what's your point, since both are tales of the gods.

You should learn a little something about the history of religion.

before there were scriptures, there was the oral tradition, in fact the zodiac is a representation of the Bible, proving that at one point in time, everyone was on the same page.

for example, you have virgo the virgin (this one is obvious), scorpio used to be symbolized as an eagle in ancient times (http://www.cafeastrology.com/zodiacscorpio.html), so you have scorpio (eagle) tarus (bull) leo (lion) aquarius (man) representing the 4 beasts.

Ezekiel 1
10 As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle.

Revelation 4
And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle

As a side note, these 4 signs are connected with the Great Pyramid of Giza
http://www.soulsofdistortion.nl/Giza.html

Also the Sphinx on the Giza plateau fits into the grander picture of Hancock and Bauval’s theory. The Sphinx faces East at the exact location where the Sun rises on the day of the vernal equinox (21 March). At sunrise on the vernal equinox around 10.500 B.C. the Sun aligned itself with the constellation Leo, its own celestial counterpart image in the sky! Analysis of the Sphinx tells us that it symbolizes all of the four cardinal signs on the Zodiacal wheel, Leo, Taurus, Aquarius and Scorpio (the latter sign is often depicted as an eagle). The Sphinx has the body of a bull (Taurus), the wings of an eagle (Scorpio) the face of a man (Aquarius, water bearer) and an overall appearance of a lion (Leo)

The establishment of Babel (Babylon, a great civilization of ancient times), ushered in Polytheism which spread from Babel into Egypt, from Egypt to Greece, and from Greece into the world.

My point is, every polytheistic religion can be traced back to Babel.

Actually, indications are that polytheism was the norm in many, independent cultures around the world.

[Cyberman]

The bible: the last resort of a dying argument.

Actually the Bible should be the first resort for any Christian, seeing how that is the basis of their belief.

That's fine, if they can first justify why the book qualifies as a firm enough basis or why the belief in the book is itself justified. Personally, I'd find the thought of pointing to mythology in response to a question about reality uncomfortably embarrassing.

But I used the Bible in this instance to show that the axiom "energy cannot be created or destroyed" was essentially contained in the Bible all along.

An interpretation which you cannot possibly glean from the book without retrofitting into it what you already know.

[abaris]

And the Edda teaches us something different.


So what's your point, since both are tales of the gods.

You should learn a little something about the history of religion.

Bit rich to tell me to learn about the history of religion. Do you actually know, what the Edda is? Hint, it's not oral tradition.

My point is, every polytheistic religion can be traced back to Babel.

Source please.

It's obvious bull, since there have been politheistic religions everywhere on this world that predate the first higher cultures.

[pocaracas]

I'd guess that every religion can be traced "back" to astrology...

[abaris]

I'd guess that every religion can be traced "back" to astrology...

Indeed.

But if Huggy really wants to talk about history of religion, I'm game.

[Huggy Bear]

Source please.

It's obvious bull, since there have been politheistic religions everywhere on this world that predate the first higher cultures.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesopotamia

Mesopotamia (/ˌmɛsəpəˈteɪmiə/, from the Ancient Greek: Μεσοποταμία "[land] between rivers"; Arabic: بلاد الرافدين‎ (bilād al-rāfidayn); Syriac: ܒܝܬ ܢܗܪܝܢ (Beth Nahrain) "land of rivers") is a name for the area of the Tigris–Euphrates river system, corresponding to modern-day Iraq, Kuwait, the northeastern section of Syria and to a much lesser extent southeastern Turkey and smaller parts of southwestern Iran.
Widely considered to be the cradle of civilization in the West, Bronze Age Mesopotamia included Sumer and the Akkadian, Babylonian, and Assyrian empires, all native to the territory of modern-day Iraq. In the Iron Age, it was controlled by the Neo-Assyrian and Neo-Babylonian empires. The indigenous Sumerians and Akkadians (including Assyrians and Babylonians) dominated Mesopotamia from the beginning of written history (c. 3100 BC) to the fall of Babylon in 539 BC, when it was conquered by the Achaemenid Empire. It fell to Alexander the Great in 332 BC, and after his death, it became part of the Greek Seleucid Empire.

http://www.livescience.com/28701-ancient...ation.html

Located about 60 miles (100 kilometers) south of Baghdad in modern-day Iraq, the ancient city of Babylon served for nearly two millennia as a center of Mesopotamian civilization.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylon

The Greek form Babylon (Βαβυλών) is an adaptation of Akkadian Babili. The Babylonian name as it stood in the 1st millennium BC had been changed from an earlier Babilli in early 2nd millennium BC, meaning "Gate of God" or "Gateway of the God" (bāb-ili) by popular etymology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylon

Babylon, hitherto a minor city, eclipsed Nippur as the "holy city" of Mesopotamia around the time an Amorite king named Hammurabi first created the short lived Babylonian Empire in the 18th century BC. Babylon grew and South Mesopotamia came to be known as Babylonia.

As you can see Babylon (Gateway of the God), at its inception, was monotheistic, But at some point changed into polytheism.
List of Mesopotamian deities:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mes...an_deities

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•Adad or Ishkur - god of storms, venerated as a supreme power especially in Syria and Lebanon
•Ashur or Enlil - god of the wind , head of the Assyrian pantheon
•Anu or An - god of heaven and the sky, lord of constellations, and father of the gods
•Enki or Ea - god of the Abzu, crafts, water, intelligence, mischief and creation and divine ruler of the Earth and its human inhabitants
•Ereshkigal - goddess of Irkalla, the Underworld
•Inanna or Ishtar - goddess of fertility, love, and war
•Marduk - patron deity of Babylon who eventually became regarded as the head of the Babylonian pantheon
•Nabu - god of wisdom and writing
•Nanshe - goddess of social justice, prophecy, fertility and fishing
•Nergal - god of plague, war, and the sun in its destructive capacity; later husband of Ereshkigal
•Ninhursag or Mami, Belet-Ili, Ki, Ninmah, Nintu, or Aruru - earth and mother goddess
•Ninlil - goddess of the air; consort of Enlil
•Ninurta - champion of the gods, the epitome of youthful vigour, and god of agriculture
•Shamash or Utu - god of the sun, arbiter of justice and patron of travellers
•Sin or Nanna - god of the moon
•Tammuz or Dumuzi - god of food and vegetation

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Is it so hard to believe that polytheism had a place of origin? Christianity is a microcosm of this, in that it is no longer what it originally was, thanks to the Catholic church (the religious Babylon referred to in Revelation) who instituted polytheism back into the church AKA the trinity (3 gods) and praying to Mary (queen of heaven aka Ishtar) and the saints.
http://www.sabbathcovenant.com/book2Myst...apter7.htm

Semiramis became known as the fertility goddess Ishtar. She took on many names in different cultures including Isis, Diana, Astarte, Ishtar, Aphrodite, Venus, and Easter. She was even identified with Mary as Mary was falsely deified and took on the titles “Mother of God” and “Queen of Heaven”. Her son Tammuz took on many names as well such as Horus, Apollo, Sol, Krishna, Hercules, Mithra, and finally Jesus. The name Jesus H. Christ, in fact, originated by Constantine as Hesus Horus Krishna. “Hesus Horus Krishna” evolved into Jesus H. Christ over the years. All names of Tammuz put together for the son of the sungod and member of the Trinity worshipped on Sunday the day of his sungod.

Semiramis instituted a holy day in her Babylonian religion in honor of the supposed “death/resurrection” of her son Tammuz. Below is a picture of the Semiramis and Tammuz, the “Modonna/Child” and “Mary/Jesus”

At one point, even the Hebrews fell into pagan worship of Semiramis aka Ishtar

Jeremiah 44
15 Then all the men which knew that their wives had burned incense unto other gods, and all the women that stood by, a great multitude, even all the people that dwelt in the land of Egypt, in Pathros, answered Jeremiah, saying,
16 As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee.
17 But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.
18 But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine.
19 And when we burned incense to the queen of heaven, and poured out drink offerings unto her, did we make her cakes to worship her, and pour out drink offerings unto her, without our men?

The point is the coming of the messiah (Jesus Christ) was always known about, but the original "religion" (for lack of a better word) devolved into paganism.

the Book of Job is the oldest book in the Bible (which many people don't know), and existed before Abraham (who also was from Mesopotamia).

Job 19:25
For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:

Hebrews 11
8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
10 For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

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I'd guess that every religion can be traced "back" to astrology...

Isn't this what I said by stating the Bible was first displayed in the zodiac?

[Huggy Bear]

One more thing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adonis

Adonis (/əˈdɒnɪs, əˈdoʊnɪs/; Greek: Ἄδωνις), in Greek mythology, is the god of beauty and desire, and is a central figure in various mystery religions

The Greek Ἄδωνις (Greek pronunciation: [ádɔːnis]), Adōnis was a borrowing from the Canaanite word ʼadōn, meaning "lord",[2][3] which is related to Adonai, one of the names used to refer to the god (אֲדֹנָי) of the Hebrew Bible and still used in Judaism to the present day.[3] Syrian Adonis is Gauas[4] or Aos, akin to Egyptian Osiris, the Semitic Tammuz and Baal Hadad, the Etruscan Atunis and the Phrygian Attis, all of whom are deities of rebirth and vegetation (see life-death-rebirth deity).

Adonis is the Hellenized form of the Phoenician word "adoni", meaning "my lord". It is believed that the cult of Adonis was known to the Greeks from around the sixth century B.C., but it is unquestionable that they came to know it through contact with Cyprus. Around this time, the cult of Adonis is noted in the Book of Ezekiel in Jerusalem, though under the Babylonian name Tammuz

So Adonai the name used to refer to God, became Adonis who was formerly know as the god Tammuz in Babylon.


Hence, tracing Greek mythology back to Babylon.

[abaris]

Hence, tracing Greek mythology back to Babylon.

But you are aware that Greek and Messopotamic religions weren't the only religions in the old world? At least I hope so.

The piece I quoted wasn't from either of them, but you obviously don't even know where it's from and lack even the basics to look it up. Also mentioning Adonis is a little bit on the funny side, since he has more in common with your lord and savious than a name.