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RE: So you when to hell now what.
March 23, 2015 at 3:50 am
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The Universe DOES exist with no grand purpose. Purpose is a notion that humans have invented for their convenience. Speaking of such a thing as purpose of your life, there isn't one unless you state it yourself. It's basically one of very few things one can do that get as close to the idealized 'Free Will' as possible. But remember, you live not in a sterile room but rather on a battlefield for survival and dominance where there are local purposes dictated by the laws of nature so if you don't state your purposes for yourself than someone may state them for you to take advantage of your ignorance and/or inaction. Which happens all the time. Just look at all those people buying into cheap afterlife chill pills.
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RE: So you when to hell now what.
March 23, 2015 at 5:03 am
(March 22, 2015 at 11:50 pm)snowtracks Wrote: (March 16, 2015 at 10:55 pm)Surgenator Wrote: Revelation is not a source of knowledge. At best it is hearsay, at worst a delusion. In either case, it is not knowledge. There isn’t one atheist on this board that will unequivocally state that the universe exist for no purpose. They may attempt to qualify it with an adjunct like that it has meaning for them, or they make their lives meaningfully. If by some quirky chance one ever did flat out state that, they wouldn’t get any kudos as a stamp-of-approval. There is a reason that won’t be done.
Why did you quote that when you didn't respond to it?
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RE: So you when to hell now what.
March 23, 2015 at 10:36 am
(March 22, 2015 at 11:50 pm)snowtracks Wrote: (March 16, 2015 at 10:55 pm)Surgenator Wrote: Revelation is not a source of knowledge. At best it is hearsay, at worst a delusion. In either case, it is not knowledge. There isn’t one atheist on this board that will unequivocally state that the universe exist for no purpose. They may attempt to qualify it with an adjunct like that it has meaning for them, or they make their lives meaningfully. If by some quirky chance one ever did flat out state that, they wouldn’t get any kudos as a stamp-of-approval. There is a reason that won’t be done.
I am an atheist. The universe exists for no purpose.
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RE: So you when to hell now what.
March 23, 2015 at 10:37 am
I'll pitch in.
The universe has no purpose behind its existence.
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RE: So you when to hell now what.
March 23, 2015 at 10:46 am
Hey... did you all know that the universe has ZERO purpose to its existence?
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RE: So you when to hell now what.
March 23, 2015 at 10:46 am
Why would anyone say that the universe has a purpose for its existence?
How would anyone know about that?
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RE: So you when to hell now what.
March 23, 2015 at 11:05 am
(March 23, 2015 at 5:03 am)Losty Wrote: Why did you quote that when you didn't respond to it?
Because he's dumb?
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RE: So you when to hell now what.
March 23, 2015 at 11:05 am
(March 23, 2015 at 10:46 am)pocaracas Wrote: Why would anyone say that the universe has a purpose for its existence?
How would anyone know about that?
Theory of Mind:
The assumption that others think pretty much like I do.
Snowtracks extrapolates beyond where he can show justification: that because he has purpose and he infers from observations that other people have purpose, then the universe itself must also have purpose.
Fallacy of composition: just because part of the universe (himself) has purpose, it does not follow that the universe itself has purpose.
He's honest, but unsupported (wrong.)
So how, exactly, does God know that She's NOT a brain in a vat? 
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RE: So you when to hell now what.
March 23, 2015 at 11:08 am
(March 22, 2015 at 11:50 pm)snowtracks Wrote: (March 16, 2015 at 10:55 pm)Surgenator Wrote: Revelation is not a source of knowledge. At best it is hearsay, at worst a delusion. In either case, it is not knowledge. There isn’t one atheist on this board that will unequivocally state that the universe exist for no purpose. They may attempt to qualify it with an adjunct like that it has meaning for them, or they make their lives meaningfully. If by some quirky chance one ever did flat out state that, they wouldn’t get any kudos as a stamp-of-approval. There is a reason that won’t be done. Just in case you didn't get the memo when Stimbo said it. The universe has no meaning.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: So you when to hell now what.
March 23, 2015 at 12:22 pm
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(March 22, 2015 at 11:50 pm)snowtracks Wrote: There isn’t one atheist on this board that will unequivocally state that the universe exist for no purpose. [...]
"Purpose" is a human-made concept, which only exists in our minds. A product of neurological processes undoubtedly essential to our evolution and existence as sentient apes, but completely meaningless - or rather non-existent, since "meaning" is also such a concept - in terms of the nature of the universe. We may naively try to apply the rules that govern our brains to non-sentient objects and systems - in fact this is what children do, when they draw a personified sun with a smiley face - but it's unlikely to give us any actual insight into the "workings" of the cosmos and its physics. No more than a child's drawing does. Or ramblings of bronze age mad-men, for that matter.
So yeah - universe has no purpose, because nothing has a purpose, except in our humanoid minds, in order for us to remember what object to use for what activity. You're simply imagining a big, big human somewhere out there, who's using the universe for something. It's cute perhaps, but only when children do it.
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