MERGED: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1) & (Part 2)

[Spooky]

.."atheist" forum.

So, I should view that as some kind of "religion?" I get teh exact same treatment on a Muslim forum, so how do you think this being an "atheist" forum is any different than a religious forum?

So far here, I have been treated exactly the same why I get treated on forums from various religions.

One would think an "atheist" forum would set a higher standard, but so far ... that is planets away from the truth.

I don't think this one will last very long.

That will not matter. What matters is the impression this forum gives to theists, and when I see posts of endless insults, and also posts demonstrating exceptional hatred (as I pointed out earlier), what do you think the value is of what I lose?

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Try going to a religious forum any one and say your an atheist and see how long it takes for them to ban you.

So Jack jumped off the bridge means John should jump too?

1. You're wrong.
2. You're wrong because your primary religious text is complete garbage.
3. It's likely I know the bible better than you.
4. Insults not required.

You should expect an "Atheist Forum" to not fall over itself to let you spin the same line of bs that I'm sure hundreds before you did, and hundreds after you will. Make a statement, accept feedback, make a new statement or defend your previous one. At this point you're simply being redundant.

[Cyberman]

You seem all for insulting theists, if my experience with you so far is to be considered.

Me personally, or the Rules? I seldom start from the position of using insults, generally preferring the freedom to escalate to that if I feel it's warranted. It all depends on my interlocutor's attitude.

I'm all for free speech, myself. That has to include the freedom to use whatever language I choose, as long as no rules are violated.

You think I can trust what you say?

You think I care? How sweet.

Who in my position would?

No one.

How do you think I got such a high reputation level? Take a quick look and count how many theists have trusted what I say over the years. And while we don't currently have any, there have been many theist Staff members, all in this sinister position of power.

[Free]

So, I should view that as some kind of "religion?" I get teh exact same treatment on a Muslim forum, so how do you think this being an "atheist" forum is any different than a religious forum?

So far here, I have been treated exactly the same why I get treated on forums from various religions.

One would think an "atheist" forum would set a higher standard, but so far ... that is planets away from the truth.


That will not matter. What matters is the impression this forum gives to theists, and when I see posts of endless insults, and also posts demonstrating exceptional hatred (as I pointed out earlier), what do you think the value is of what I lose?

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So Jack jumped off the bridge means John should jump too?

1. You're wrong.
2. You're wrong because your primary religious text is complete garbage.
3. It's likely I know the bible better than you.
4. Insults not required.

None of this is relative to my post. Completely non sequitur.

And as far as what you think you know about me and the bible or religious history in general, my formal education is history, with strong emphasis on religious history. Although that is not what I do for a living.

You should expect an "Atheist Forum" to not fall over itself to let you spin the same line of bs that I'm sure hundreds before you did, and hundreds after you will. Make a statement, accept feedback, make a new statement or defend your previous one. At this point you're simply being redundant.

You think i am proselytizing? Show me where.

[pocaracas]

Well, Brucer... you're right.... everyone seems to be jumping at you... kangaroo style!

So, first and foremost, welcome to this here forum. I noticed you didn't create your own intro thread in the part of the forum where we all have to behave. It would have been nice if you did, since we like to welcome people to the group and get to know a bit of the person behind the avatar.
Instead, you jumped right into an ongoing discussion. So... people showed you no quarters... this sort of thing tends to happen, around here.

So, back on topic, and trying to shed away all the baggage you accumulated over the past few days.
What's your take on the resurrection story?
Has His_Majesty been presenting his case in a way you'd approve?
What would you like to add to what he's presented?

[Free]

You seem all for insulting theists, if my experience with you so far is to be considered.

Me personally, or the Rules? I seldom start from the position of using insults, generally preferring the freedom to escalate to that if I feel it's warranted. It all depends on my interlocutor's attitude.

I'm all for free speech, myself. That has to include the freedom to use whatever language I choose, as long as no rules are violated.

Then as I said before, just keep doing what you are doing.

You think I can trust what you say?

You think I care? How sweet.

Obviously as a moderator, you don't. That's my point.

Who in my position would?

No one.

How do you think I got such a high reputation level? Take a quick look and count how many theists have trusted what I say over the years. And while we don't currently have any, there have been many theist Staff members, all in this sinister position of power.

Well this theist does not trust what you say. And this theist has been given adequate justification for that lack of trust.

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Well, Brucer... you're right.... everyone seems to be jumping at you... kangaroo style!

So, first and foremost, welcome to this here forum. I noticed you didn't create your own intro thread in the part of the forum where we all have to behave. It would have been nice if you did, since we like to welcome people to the group and get to know a bit of the person behind the avatar.
Instead, you jumped right into an ongoing discussion. So... people showed you no quarters... this sort of thing tends to happen, around here.

So, back on topic, and trying to shed away all the baggage you accumulated over the past few days.
What's your take on the resurrection story?
Has His_Majesty been presenting his case in a way you'd approve?
What would you like to add to what he's presented?

There was no resurrection. He's dead, and will remain dead, forever.

His_Majesty is wholly indoctrinated. I am not. I do not follow any Christian beliefs, and by Christian I mean Pauline.

[pocaracas]

Well, Brucer... you're right.... everyone seems to be jumping at you... kangaroo style!

So, first and foremost, welcome to this here forum. I noticed you didn't create your own intro thread in the part of the forum where we all have to behave. It would have been nice if you did, since we like to welcome people to the group and get to know a bit of the person behind the avatar.
Instead, you jumped right into an ongoing discussion. So... people showed you no quarters... this sort of thing tends to happen, around here.

So, back on topic, and trying to shed away all the baggage you accumulated over the past few days.
What's your take on the resurrection story?
Has His_Majesty been presenting his case in a way you'd approve?
What would you like to add to what he's presented?

There was no resurrection. He's dead, and will remain dead, forever.

His_Majesty is wholly indoctrinated. I am not. I do not follow any Christian beliefs, and by Christian I mean Pauline.

Ah... yes... I seem to remember someone writing that around here a while back... it must have been you.
So then, you believe there was a Jesus that died.... crucified?
Care to explain what parts of the NT you're cherry-picking?... it seems anything pauline should be removed, huh?

[Free]

There was no resurrection. He's dead, and will remain dead, forever.

His_Majesty is wholly indoctrinated. I am not. I do not follow any Christian beliefs, and by Christian I mean Pauline.

Ah... yes... I seem to remember someone writing that around here a while back... it must have been you.
So then, you believe there was a Jesus that died.... crucified?
Care to explain what parts of the NT you're cherry-picking?... it seems anything pauline should be removed, huh?

To me it's a matter of history, what is probable, and what is reasonable.

All that can be reasonably said with a good degree of certainty about Jesus of Nazareth is the following.

Jesus of Nazareth was crucified by Pontius Pilate.

Aside from a few teachings of his in the gospels, you can take everything else with a grain of salt.

[abaris]

There was no resurrection. He's dead, and will remain dead, forever.

His_Majesty is wholly indoctrinated. I am not. I do not follow any Christian beliefs, and by Christian I mean Pauline.

I can agree with both of your statements, since church doctrine is certainly Paul rather than Jesus.

But what do you believe in? Why do you think the bible has any value besides being a historical source for ancient traditions? Why do you claim, the teachings of Jesus are in any way unique, if they're entirely based on preexisting myths?

I think, that hasn't been discussed before.

[dyresand]

There was no resurrection. He's dead, and will remain dead, forever.

His_Majesty is wholly indoctrinated. I am not. I do not follow any Christian beliefs, and by Christian I mean Pauline.

I can agree with both of your statements, since church doctrine is certainly Paul rather than Jesus.

But what do you believe in? Why do you think the bible has any value besides being a historical source for ancient traditions? Why do you claim, the teachings of Jesus are in any way unique, if they're entirely based on preexisting myths?

I think, that hasn't been discussed before.

Paul was full of himself... and never known jesus to be a human, also the guy was a false apostle. - enough said

[robvalue]

So I assume you would also say that Jesus is the son of Joseph then (assuming these people existed)? The virgin birth is certainly not probable or reasonable.