MERGED: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1) & (Part 2)

[His_Majesty]

If the man starts off with an argument that's so factually inaccurate that it isn't even addressing the topic he's purporting to debunk, what hope do we have that the rest won't follow the same meandering, fallacious path?

First off, I disagree with the notion that what he said was inaccurate. There is this thing in astronomy called "Cosmic Evolution"

http://www.astro.wisc.edu/our-science/re...evolution/

The term "evolution" is not just limited to bio phenomena...so you are the one that is factually inaccurate. But hey, this is Esquilax we are talking about...what else is knew?

Also, consider that we've heard Hovind's claptrap before. You aren't the first goofy apologist to think that the man's fever dream of what evolution is is some kind of scathing critique of a topic he clearly knows nothing about

Dude, as just mentioned, half of the material that he covers comes STRAIGHT from the text book...he is giving you HIS assessment based on what is written in the text book...you are making it seem as if he is presenting his own version of what evolution means...which is, bullshit.

in fact, Kent Hovind and his equally dullard son are two of the reasons I became an out atheist, rather than merely apathetic to the whole endeavor. They lie or are simply wrong with such frequency, their arguments fail to even be about evolution so completely, that their position was utterly repellent to me. Nobody who has to lie, or be that ignorant about topics you're claiming to be an expert in, could possibly have any handhold on the truth. Further investigation only confirmed what the Hovinds initially led me to suspect.

No, the text book is what is full of lies.

Have you read Kent's dissertation? I mean, we both know that Hovind got his degree from a diploma mill that isn't accredited and operates out of a trailer, but have you actually read his dissertation? I have: it reads like an elementary school book report.

All I know is he issues open challenges to any evolutionist or scientists, all of that personal shit is none of my business.

[abaris]

I honestly don't know if people are just too lazy to open up Wikipedia and read for 5 minutes, or whether they just aren't interested in learning. Or they read, but it goes through a "theist filter". This applies to the professional dishonesters too.

Being a lefty when it comes to politics, I mostly take my information from what the Americans call liberal channels and papers. But I also look at the conservative take on the topic, in case I had missed some important information.

They take the same approach when it comes to evolution. They look at what their fellow apologists have to say on it, but they leave out step two, the cross checking.

No, the text book is what is full of lies.

[robvalue]

I wonder if the black/white thinking that religion drills into their head makes it hard to be able to grasp the subtlety involved. They just stare at an ant and scream, "Why isn't it a badger yet? Evolution is bollocks!"

Also, it proves their whole book to be nonsense. So I think they may be a little biased.

[Minimalist]

One God...three individuals.

I've always wondered what kind of idiot would fall for such obvious bullshit.


Now I know.

[Elskidor]

This does explain the multiple personality disorder.

[robvalue]

3 myths for the price of one.

[abaris]

One God...three individuals.

I've always wondered what kind of idiot would fall for such obvious bullshit.


Now I know.

Had been around for quite some time, before the first christian even raped his first sheep in the desert. Amongst others, Egyptians had the trinity with several of the deities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_deity

[His_Majesty]

Did you know that merriam webster is not a good unbiased dictionary?
Just look at their definition of atheist:
athe·ist: a person who believes that God does not exist

Can you spot the bias?
No?
Pretend you're a hindu.

You sound like Jesse Ventura...9/11? Conspiracy....JFK assasination...Conspiracy...Vietnam War...Conspiracy...ISIS...Conspiracy...

Let's get back to those definitions for being and deity.
a being is a living thing, or something that exists.
A deity is a god, or the nature of that god.
So, you want me to accept that you have 3 different living things in the nature of the god... is that it?

3 different living things share an essence of "God". Hey, you don't have to accept it when just the mere thought of Jesus of Nazareth's existence is to much to accept...not saying you in general, but you get the picture.

I think we need the definition of god, now (from the same merriam webster):
1 capitalized : the supreme or ultimate reality: as
a : the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped as creator and ruler of the universe
b Christian Science : the incorporeal divine Principle ruling over all as eternal Spirit : infinite Mind
2 : a being or object believed to have more than natural attributes and powers and to require human worship; specifically : one controlling a particular aspect or part of reality
3 : a person or thing of supreme value
4 : a powerful ruler

I'm going with 2, seeing as the first is clearly biased, and the third and fourth apply to people (odd that).
"A being".... as in "one"... not multiples...

Yeah but that is because the definition given is a general one...hell, lets look up Trinity..same dictionary..

Trinity: the unity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as three persons in one Godhead according to Christian dogma

hmmm

If you define it like that, then we have a team of 3 gods, polytheism... or tri-theism.... if the word doesn't exist, I claim royalties!

It would be polytheism if they were three different gods...but they aren't three different gods, they are three different persons, each which has the SAME divine attributes.

I wouldn't expect any royalties if I were you.

[robvalue]

I think it's like one of those boss battles, when you think you've killed it and then it transforms into this other scary looking thing. Then after that, it's final form!

Does it have a huge amount of energy? Or am I just not doing any damage here? Argh! I've been stabbing it for 2 hours.

[Jenny A]