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RE: Why should Christians be moral?
November 29, 2014 at 3:47 pm
For those of you that missed the point, this thread is a tongue in check response to the common question of why should atheists be moral.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: Why should Christians be moral?
November 29, 2014 at 3:58 pm
(November 29, 2014 at 3:47 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: For those of you that missed the point, this thread is a tongue in check response to the common question of why should atheists be moral.
You don't say.
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RE: Why should Christians be moral?
November 29, 2014 at 5:57 pm
(November 29, 2014 at 3:58 pm)abaris Wrote: (November 29, 2014 at 3:47 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: For those of you that missed the point, this thread is a tongue in check response to the common question of why should atheists be moral.
You don't say. Well actually I do say, hence I said it.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: Why should Christians be moral?
November 29, 2014 at 8:16 pm
(This post was last modified: November 29, 2014 at 8:21 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(November 29, 2014 at 3:05 pm)Lek Wrote: A person who does not love his neighbor also doesn't have faith in Christ. The apostle Paul stated that love is the most important christian virtue. Faith isn't just saying that you believe that Jesus is your savior, but actually following him. Of course, we will fall into sin sometimes, but if we're true followers of Christ, we will continually improve our lives. A christian doesn't just live a sinful life on purpose with the intention of repenting before death. Even if he did, there's no true sorrow or repentance. An admirable interpretation - but not, in any way, the official "christian line" on the matter. Your interpretation still labours under those who "sincerely desire forgiveness" - perhaps even make meaningful change...but simply do not deserve forgiveness, those who cannot make enough change to compensate. I'm sure it wouldn't be difficult for you to imagine such a person (or find an example)...but I think it will be difficult for you to explain why they will not be granted forgiveness...if the bar is set so damned low as to really wanting it...super duper bad....even though it's pretty easy to explain why they don't deserve it (or indeed..as it's often said, why none of us deserve it).
The whole thing is a can of compartmentalized worms, imo.
(Your comments on a true christian, or what sorrow or repentance may exist in a person...btw... are garbage - I think you know that. Do you not continue to "sin" and yet feel sorrow?)
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RE: Why should Christians be moral?
November 29, 2014 at 8:20 pm
(This post was last modified: November 29, 2014 at 8:20 pm by abaris.)
So much for love thy neighbour. Only unless they're on the hate list.
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RE: Why should Christians be moral?
November 29, 2014 at 8:43 pm
Jesus Fucking Christ, that guy is smoking HOT !!!!
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RE: Why should Christians be moral?
November 30, 2014 at 12:28 am
(November 28, 2014 at 1:59 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: I mean what real motive does a christer have to be moral when their blood price is paid. I mean a christian can go around murdering and fucking whom ever they want and all they have to say is "god please forgive me" and boom entrance to heaven.
They don't need to be.. but our evolutionary morals catch up with them.
they can call it gods morals but we kinda grew morals when evolving. they can be a dick an asshole murder people kill themselves by taking out others with them. and jesus forgives them in the end. Its that logical way of thinking that is harmful.
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RE: Why should Christians be moral?
November 30, 2014 at 1:43 am
(November 29, 2014 at 8:20 pm)abaris Wrote: So much for love thy neighbour. Only unless they're on the hate list.
Ugly, but not quite as ugly as suggested in the video. They will certainly house and feed married gays. They just won't house them together.
Quote:“…We are a Christian, faith-based organization that really does adhere to biblical standards. Our view is that it (same-sex marriage) is inappropriate. Our intent is not to shelter same-sex couples together.”
Married, same-sex couples who insist on being housed together will be referred to another area organization willing to accommodate them. Such organizations might include the Salvation Army, Catholic Charities of Kansas City-St. Joseph and reStart Inc.
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RE: Why should Christians be moral?
November 30, 2014 at 10:24 am
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(November 29, 2014 at 3:05 pm)Lek Wrote: A christian doesn't just live a sinful life on purpose with the intention of repenting before death. Even if he did, there's no true sorrow or repentance. And a non-Christian can lead a sinful life then repent on his deathbed and be saved, depending on which denomination you follow. But a wealthy young man who impresses the Christ with his attitude and actions can be denied heaven for the crime of not making himself destitute. Seems to me that "being a good Christian" is a bit of a crapshoot. God doesn't seem very fair, to be honest.
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RE: Why should Christians be moral?
November 30, 2014 at 11:25 am
(November 30, 2014 at 10:24 am)Tonus Wrote: (November 29, 2014 at 3:05 pm)Lek Wrote: A christian doesn't just live a sinful life on purpose with the intention of repenting before death. Even if he did, there's no true sorrow or repentance. And a non-Christian can lead a sinful life then repent on his deathbed and be saved, depending on which denomination you follow. But a wealthy young man who impresses the Christ with his attitude and actions can be denied heaven for the crime of not making himself destitute. Seems to me that "being a good Christian" is a bit of a crapshoot. God doesn't seem very fair, to be honest.
It's worse than that. The rich young man must make himself destitute by way of a sizable endowment to the church.
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