The End of the World

[The Valkyrie]

GC, if you truly have a problem with the altered parody quote and still think it violates the Rules, hit the report button. Put the matter before the people whose job it is to interpret and apply the Rules; don't simply bitch about it in public.

I could report it for him.

[Cyberman]

Yep, and then we'll tell GC it *still* doesn't violate the rules.

Of course. Then it will be doubly official - officially official - and we'll have an end to it.

Or else.

[IATIA]

Ever hear the saying about mankind, "Power corrupts but, complete power corrupts completely."

The saying is:

Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

And god is a perfect example of that.

[professor]

Have you ever wondered WHY power corrupts so effectively?

[Losty]

Have you ever wondered WHY power corrupts so effectively?

Probably Obama's fault

[Godscreated]

So, God forced you father to rape your mother so you would be born, interesting, exactly where in the scriptures did you get that idea, I've never seen it and would like to read it to become better educated.

No idiot. "I knew you before I formed you in your mother's womb"
I didn't ask to be formed. Your god supposedly formed me. If he did so he did it without my consent.

I almost forgot this post because we were bantering.
Like God needs your consent, especially before you were born.
Jeremiah 1:5 is about one who God had appointed as a prophet before he was born, before he was conceived, God was shaping him for his future. God stepped into human history to move his will forward, you will not find this said about another person in all scripture except for Jesus and this can be referenced in Isaiah 49 and about the nation of Israel in Isaiah 44.
There is no precedent set here that God does this for all people. So, you nor I can see ourselves as special enough for God to take a special effort to guide our development in the wombs of our mothers.
Sorry for upsetting you with that coarse statement, wanted to get your attention, I should have found a better way to do so.

At one time you chose to believe

I never chose to believe. I was indoctrinated as a child.

So you're saying you were never a Christian, that is, in the real sense of knowing God is real, without doubt.

, you've stated so in other posts, then you chose not to believe, don't see where God forced you to do either.

Of course he didn't but if he's real he already knew I would make these choices before he ever created me.

I agree with you on this. However He gave you a chance at salvation, He loves you enough that even though He knew your present choice, He wanted you to have the chance to choose what you wanted. Your choice isn't His desire, it is however your will and He is honoring that. But there's one thing you may have over looked, just as when you were a child in church you couldn't imagine being an atheist, as an atheist you can't imagine being a Christian, but God knows what you will do before you die. Could it be that God knows you will come to Him through Christ and that's exactly why He as allowed your birth, can you say 100% that it want happen? Just a question to think on, no need to answer.

God did not create evil people, where in scripture did you get that notion. People chose to be evil.

Are you saying god didn't create evil? Are you telling me that there are things in existence that god did not create?

I've answered this question several times here and it want change, why, because God can't go against who He is, and God is not evil, thought you may think differently. So, no God didn't create evil, because He couldn't create evil, it would go against who He is. You will find nowhere in the scriptures where God creates evil, you may know the verse or someone will tell you about it saying God created evil. The word translated evil in that verse should have been translated calamity, the word is translated calamity in other places. This verse has no support from the rest of scripture to suggest God could have created evil.

The only thing God ask you to give is yourself, yourself through Christ, He does so to give you a life full of His peace and love, all you have to do is accept it, yes it requires service to Him. Tell me where else can you get such a deal. I've never known a person who can do that, not even my mom and she could come closer than anyone else I know. By the way she would tell you the same thing, why, because she relies on God's love and peace.

GC

I don't wish to serve your god GC

That's your right.

I don't wish to live a life full of his peace and love. I'll remind you that I was once a believer since you forgot within your own post.

You seem to forget that you said you were indoctrinated, that by necessity doesn't make you a Christian believer. As far as your wish, again it's your right.

I don't know what peace feels like but I'm working on it. I gave my life to a god I thought was real. The one I learned of in the bible. I was saved before I was old enough to understand the implications.

If you did not understand, there was no salvation, that's why I watched children closely, to make sure they understood what they were committing to.

I was resaved often. Recommitting myself yearly and truly wanting to serve the god of the bible with all my heart.

This is what I watch for in children and teens, for me it's a sign they are trying to earn salvation over and over, or they just do not understand. I've seen this and it worries me, why, because parents do not want to hear their child may not have understood what they chose and they're possibly not saved. This is when I would like to talk to the children, to get them to question their own choice, bet you would never of dreamed of hearing this from a Christian? I want children and teens to understand what they are doing, I don't want people dying and find themselves in hell when they thought they were saved. I've seen people try and talk children into salvation, and what's pitiful about it they're leaving God out of it. God knows the appropriate time to approach a person.

I gave myself to him and I was given "love" in return. Love was something that disgusted me, terrified me. Not all Christians have the same life as I did, but I'm just saying I believed, GC, I truly believed and I had faith and I worshipped with everything I had and the "life of peace and love" left me with scars that still haunt me.

I'm not sure why something so beautiful could be so terrible for you. Love is very special. You do not have to explain it if you're not comfortable with it. But I will say I'm quite curious, but don't let this pressure you, it's not my intent.
I believe you believed, like I said I've seen it before and want to prevent children from being scared or surprised when their life ends, see I believe in questioning, many here want believe that, questioning gets one to the truth. The truth I speak of is to know God is real through a personal relationship with Him, God will prove himself to those who really want to know. Could be that many are afraid of the answer, on both sides of this issue. Not so for me, truth means more to me than you could imagine, this came through wanting to know, it came from God, unmistakably.

I don't wish to serve your god. I don't want his peace or his love or his eternity in heaven. I just want the chance to make the best of and enjoy and live my life and then die a normal death where that's the end. If there was a god, he would give that option. There's just no way to justify a god who wouldn't give that option.

You have that option, except for dying without consequence, sin has to be paid for, either Jesus does for you or you do for yourself. You have the right to not serve God, you can reject His gifts, you can try and live your life on your own. But you can't die without consequences unless you have Jesus in your life.
I wish I could sit down face to face with you, you seem to be a very interesting person, and talking about God is far to limited on a forum, especially when others butt in and try to derail a good conversation.

GC

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Now for the verses please.

GC

Hmm I must have missed the part where "asks for" and "accepts" mean the same thing. I'm not surprised you think that considering you don't know the difference between want and won't. Try reading the story of Lot and find out how he gets on god's good side. Also, god grants rapists with wives in the bible. It's like a trade off if you rape a virgin for god, he will let you keep her.

God did not approve of either of these situations, and if you study scripture you will find it doesn't support what you're saying.
Lot spoke out wrongly and the angels put a stop to what would have been wrong.
As for rapist, you need to understand the times in which these people lived, you have to go to the history books to learn this, yes I've studied history, it was my major in high school, had a choice between it and math, why they would not let me have two majors is beyond me. As you've probably guessed English was not my strong point.

GC

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GC, if you truly have a problem with the altered parody quote and still think it violates the Rules, hit the report button. Put the matter before the people whose job it is to interpret and apply the Rules; don't simply bitch about it in public.

Yep, and then we'll tell GC it *still* doesn't violate the rules. But we should say it's misleading for some that might visit here, GC you're correct about that.

Fixed that for you!

GC

[Jackalope]

Now you get it - because nobody with two functioning brain cells is going to think I actually said that.

[Losty]

I'm not sure why something so beautiful could be so terrible for you. Love is very special. You do not have to explain it if you're not comfortable with it. But I will say I'm quite curious, but don't let this pressure you, it's not my intent.
I believe you believed, like I said I've seen it before and want to prevent children from being scared or surprised when their life ends, see I believe in questioning, many here want believe that, questioning gets one to the truth. The truth I speak of is to know God is real through a personal relationship with Him, God will prove himself to those who really want to know. Could be that many are afraid of the answer, on both sides of this issue. Not so for me, truth means more to me than you could imagine, this came through wanting to know, it came from God, unmistakably.

I'm not sure I'm in the mood to hear you tell me, oh those weren't true Christians. I will tell you what I can though. Who knows why. My whole life the only people who "loved" me were the people who hurt me. People who hurt me in unforgivable ways. They were all godly people and they all loved me. They all wanted what was "best for me". I can't make you understand. I only know 2 things for sure. The first is that I see no evidence for a Christian god. The second is that if he's real, I don't really care. I want nothing to do with him. I love people. I am forgiving and loving and caring. I want more than anything to make life more bearable for as many people as I can. I want people to be happy, to be...ok. If there is a god and he doesn't see that my circumstances lead me to where I am and that my heart is as good as it can be, then he doesn't deserve me.

[Esquilax]

GC, if you truly have a problem with the altered parody quote and still think it violates the Rules, hit the report button. Put the matter before the people whose job it is to interpret and apply the Rules; don't simply bitch about it in public.

You don't understand, Stimbo! He doesn't want us to interpret and apply the rules, as is our purview as mods! He wants us to agree with him and do what he says without question!

God did not approve of either of these situations, and if you study scripture you will find it doesn't support what you're saying.
Lot spoke out wrongly and the angels put a stop to what would have been wrong.

So, Lot offered up his daughters for gangrape, that's in the story. Did god, or did god not, determine that Lot was the most moral man in the entire town, and the only one sufficiently moral to be spared death?

Are you often in the habit of proclaiming people who offer up family members as toys to be raped to be moral? Because, see, from an outside perspective, the notion that god did that kinda clashes with what you're saying here.

[robvalue]

The only reason to worship a tyrannical monster is out of fear of what he will do to you if you don't.

I don't fear gods, but I do fear gods followers as they are willing to fuck me over or even kill me for not worshipping their book. Because let's be honest here, the books are the idol of worship. They are all that actually exists in reality from religions. Ironic how this contradicts many of the commandments (either the ones about killing, stealing and such, or the actual 10 commandments which mention neither but still stop you worshipping idols.)

Ok time to get out of bed now I just "won". Cos winning the argument proves I'm right, even if the only one deciding who won the argument is me.