I didn't receive a very thorough religious indoctrination. I always figured the sun enveloping the earth would be the end of the world. Never knew there were biblical ideas of an end time and so on. I was so fortunate to have neglectful parents.
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(December 6, 2014 at 12:11 pm)Strider Wrote:(December 5, 2014 at 11:40 pm)Godschild Wrote: I have an appreciation of true science. I've not wasted my life it's be quite full and wonderful.Really? I haven't seen that appreciation on display. You haven't read all my post, just because I do not believe evolution doesn't mean I do not appreciate real science. GC Wrote:Where did you come up with your idea that God regretted creating man, seems you're applying a word to a passage, so you can make an argument. You should check out scripture before you spout out things it doesn't say and try then to make an argument from the word you applied, talk about a waste of time. Quote:"And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart." Genesis 6:6 (KJV) This verse means sorry or sorrow, the word regret does't appear here. You're wrong. Quote:"the LORD regretted that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart." Genesis 6:6 (Holman Christian Standard) I do not have this version so I can't say 100% it's not there. I doubt it though, why, I find it hard to believe you have all these versions, I find it probable you went to an atheist site to get these verses. Quote:"And the LORD regretted that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart." Genesis 6:6 (ESV) I know for a fact that the ESV doesn't use the word regretted, why, because I have one I use to study scripture and I looked it up before I posted my earlier statements to you. You are being nothing but deceptive, to prove a point, one that is not true, why, because you do not want Christians to be correct in anything they say. If you're going to challenge me about scripture you better come with something besides deception. Quote:"The LORD regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled." Genesis 6:6 (NIV) I have the NIV also and the word regretted does not appear in this verse, actually it uses the word grieved, meaning sorry or sorrow, you're still running a game of deception, shame on you. You are making atheist look bad with this approach, I just answered a post about how atheist do this very thing a few minutes ago. Quote:"And it repented Jehovah that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart." Genesis 6:6 (ASV) Again you post a verse that doesn't use the word regret, and actually uses two words to support He was sorry, those would be grieved and repented, to repent means to be and or have sorrow. Here's some more, NASV, Genesis 6:6 "And the LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. The literal translation of the last part of this verse means 'to grieve.' That would be to hurt or to be sad. NLT Genesis 6:6 " so the LORD was sorry He ever made them. It broke His heart. Again regret is not even hinted at, God was sad He made them because of what they had become, and hurt at how they had disobeyed and turned to their own evil ways. Quote:How do you like your crow? I think I would like to see it served on your plate, raw, that way you might consider being honest and doing honest research before you run off at the mouth. Quote:Maybe you should check your own book. I did before I ever posted the first time, I have several versions here and all support God did not regret creating man, He was sorrowed and hurt by their actions. It's you who should check his sources, either that or quite adding in words that are not that. Quote: Let's ignore all of that and say you're right, and that the lord is simply sorry. When I'm sorry about something I've done it means that I fucked up and I know it. Again, God was not sorry He created man, His sorrow was over how they had become so evil. God did not make them evil, man was more than capable of screwing themselves up. Quote:As per my definition of evidence, God is tangible, measurable, and knowable? GC, are you high? He is none of those things and I would have to concede that point even if I were a believer. The thing you need to concede is you are not capable of interpreting scripture. GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
RE: The End of the World
December 6, 2014 at 1:37 pm
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(December 6, 2014 at 1:30 pm)Heywood Wrote: If we are living in a computer simulation, the end of the world might be around the year 2050. It will be about that time when we have the computational abilities to run are own ancestor simulations. This will cause stacking of simulations upon simulations eating up all the computational resources of the parent reality. Hopefully by then we will all know the difference between are and our :p (December 6, 2014 at 1:30 pm)Heywood Wrote: If we are living in a computer simulation, the end of the world might be around the year 2050. It will be about that time when we have the computational abilities to run are own ancestor simulations. This will cause stacking of simulations upon simulations eating up all the computational resources of the parent reality. Okay. Seriously. Poe or nut job?
There's a whole department who are looking out for global threats to mankind from the inside, such as AI and such. I forget the name, I watched a bit and it is interesting. The world is already pretty damn mechanised to the point where we would crash without it now. Some stuff I learnt about AIs battling in the stock market is just scary.
I think the problem is mankind is too eager to try out every new thing right away, and the long term considerations come too late. Feel free to send me a private message.
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December 6, 2014 at 1:42 pm
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(December 6, 2014 at 1:36 pm)Godschild Wrote: The thing you need to concede is you are not capable of interpreting scripture. Oh, come on. Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has got one. Literary interpretation isn't a true/false sort of endeavor. You are entitled to say what it means to you of course. That doesn't mean we can't disagree. Don't worry, I won't disagree. (I didn't read the book.) RE: The End of the World
December 6, 2014 at 1:45 pm
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I notice the word "scripture" used a lot, as if to make it sound more impressive than just "stuff some guy wrote down ages ago." Reliability fades over time, it does not improve. It's just writing, there is no correct way to interpret it unless you can actually ask the authors.
(Hint hint! He's right here! He's surprised no one is taking me seriously.) Feel free to send me a private message.
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December 6, 2014 at 1:45 pm
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(December 6, 2014 at 1:37 pm)Losty Wrote:(December 6, 2014 at 1:30 pm)Heywood Wrote: If we are living in a computer simulation, the end of the world might be around the year 2050. It will be about that time when we have the computational abilities to run are own ancestor simulations. This will cause stacking of simulations upon simulations eating up all the computational resources of the parent reality. It's very simple. Are "our" is for expressing what belongs to us whereas our "are" is the plural form of is. Glad to help. (December 6, 2014 at 1:45 pm)robvalue Wrote: I notice the word "scripture" used a lot, as if to make it sound more impressive than just "stuff some guy wrote down ages ago." Reliability fades over time, it does not improve. It's just writing, there is no correct way to interpret it unless you can actually ask the authors. You're saying their wine has turned to vinegar but if they like it they like it. Leaves more of the good stuff for us. RE: The End of the World
December 6, 2014 at 6:15 pm
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(December 6, 2014 at 1:36 pm)Godschild Wrote: You haven't read all my post, just because I do not believe evolution doesn't mean I do not appreciate real science.Actually, that is exactly what it means. Quote:This verse means sorry or sorrow, the word regret does't appear here. Quote:I do not have this version so I can't say 100% it's not there. I doubt it though, why, I find it hard to believe you have all these versions, I find it probable you went to an atheist site to get these verses. Quote:I know for a fact that the ESV doesn't use the word regretted, why, because I have one I use to study scripture and I looked it up before I posted my earlier statements to you. You are being nothing but deceptive, to prove a point, one that is not true, why, because you do not want Christians to be correct in anything they say. If you're going to challenge me about scripture you better come with something besides deception. Quote:I have the NIV also and the word regretted does not appear in this verse, actually it uses the word grieved, meaning sorry or sorrow, you're still running a game of deception, shame on you. You are making atheist look bad with this approach, I just answered a post about how atheist do this very thing a few minutes ago. Quote:Again you post a verse that doesn't use the word regret, and actually uses two words to support He was sorry, those would be grieved and repented, to repent means to be and or have sorrow.http://biblehub.com/genesis/6-6.htm Each verse is there with the specific version of the bible it came from. Dude, it took me ten fucking seconds to find that. And if that's not enough then do your on search with the verse and the version you want to know about. There's multiple references. Here's another for you since you claim that the word regret is not mentioned in the NIV. http://www.biblica.com/en-us/bible/onlin...&chapter=6 I'm not going to spoon feed you anymore so look at the rest for yourself. I included "repent" because if you repent of something you are acknowledging you did something wrong. The key difference between repent and regret is that you repent by making it right. God's way of making it right was to drown everybody. Quote:I think I would like to see it served on your plate, raw, that way you might consider being honest and doing honest research before you run off at the mouth.I'm a lot of things, but dishonest isn't one of them. Quote:I did before I ever posted the first time, I have several versions here and all support God did not regret creating man, He was sorrowed and hurt by their actions. It's you who should check his sources, either that or quite adding in words that are not that.Apparently, you failed hard at checking as I've already shown. Quote:Interpretation is subjective. My interpretation is as valid as yours. You're simply unwilling to even consider any other interpretation because it implies that your god is not an infallible entity, and if that is true then your whole world crumbles around you. Man, the mental gymnastics you guys go through each day to believe in the horse shit you spew must be exhausting. By the way, you deflected my question. You said that God is tangible, measurable, and knowable. Prove each one. Put up or shut up time. Thanks for playing.
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