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RE: How do christians view apostasy
December 12, 2014 at 7:39 pm
(December 12, 2014 at 6:12 pm)Godschild Wrote: We can't experience this type of being unless it approaches us
If you earnestly believe that you are having a personal relationship with a being that does not exist, then you are not grounded in reality.
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RE: How do christians view apostasy
December 12, 2014 at 10:26 pm
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(December 12, 2014 at 6:49 pm)Nope Wrote: Did GodsChild answer the Op's question? I am curious about his/her answer.
Nope, wasn't it obvious who I was answering. I mean really.
GC
(December 12, 2014 at 6:44 pm)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: (December 12, 2014 at 6:12 pm)Godschild Wrote: Your witness of the sun rising every morning, does not mean it will rise tomorrow. Science nor your faith in it will guarantee the sun will rise in the morning.
Congratulations, GC. You've just admitted that what guarantees your god's existence to you is your faith in its existence, and not because that god is an objectively real thing. Even accidental honesty is refreshing.
I'm not sure where you got that from what I said in that post. I know God is real.
GC
(December 12, 2014 at 7:39 pm)Sionnach Wrote: (December 12, 2014 at 6:12 pm)Godschild Wrote: We can't experience this type of being unless it approaches us
If you earnestly believe that you are having a personal relationship with a being that does not exist, then you are not grounded in reality.
Why, because I something you don't, I'm sorry you haven't come to know God, but your lack of belief only effects you.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: How do christians view apostasy
December 13, 2014 at 12:05 am
No person can have a relationship with god only a concept of god they want to believe in to be real.
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RE: How do christians view apostasy
December 13, 2014 at 2:12 am
(December 12, 2014 at 10:26 pm)Godschild Wrote: (December 12, 2014 at 6:49 pm)Nope Wrote: Did GodsChild answer the Op's question? I am curious about his/her answer.
Nope, wasn't it obvious who I was answering. I mean really.
GC
No, it was not obvious or I wouldn't have asked the question.
This was the OP's question
Quote:I was wondering whether reading these tales of indoctrination at an early age and then escape later in life if any christian members here relate to any of it? Do you ignore these people? What would you do if your child, who you had brought up strictly christian eventually rejected your god?
I did not see where you answered the question and I was curious about your answer. If I somehow missed your response, I apologize but I don't see where you answered these specific questions like the professor did.
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RE: How do christians view apostasy
December 13, 2014 at 2:26 am
(December 13, 2014 at 2:12 am)Nope Wrote: (December 12, 2014 at 10:26 pm)Godschild Wrote: Nope, wasn't it obvious who I was answering. I mean really.
GC
No, it was not obvious or I wouldn't have asked the question.
This was the OP's question
Quote:I was wondering whether reading these tales of indoctrination at an early age and then escape later in life if any christian members here relate to any of it? Do you ignore these people? What would you do if your child, who you had brought up strictly christian eventually rejected your god?
I did not see where you answered the question and I was curious about your answer. If I somehow missed your response, I apologize but I don't see where you answered these specific questions like the professor did.
Sionnach post was what I responded to, Sionnach's name was right there on my post.
I did not answer the OP because I could add nothing to what Professor stated.
GC
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RE: How do christians view apostasy
December 13, 2014 at 8:29 am
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(December 12, 2014 at 4:11 am)TubbyTubby Wrote: I asked this question on another forum but there were not too many responses from christians so I thought I would repeat it here. I've referred to christians but only because that seems to be the majority of the theist population on this forum.
We have occassional stories of people leaving their religion and a particularly heartfelt account earlier today.
I was wondering whether reading these tales of indoctrination at an early age and then escape later in life if any christian members here relate to any of it? Do you ignore these people? What would you do if your child, who you had brought up strictly christian eventually rejected your god?
There is an ex-Christian forum where some Christians were affected by the testimonies and arguments of apostates. Eventually these Christians became apostates too.
Generally speaking, I think Christians do not listen to apostates. They assume that apostates are rebellious Christians who still believe in God but want to sin.
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RE: How do christians view apostasy
December 13, 2014 at 9:24 am
(December 13, 2014 at 2:26 am)Godschild Wrote: I did not answer the OP because I could add nothing to what Professor stated.
GC
Except whether or not you shared the sentiment. Not so sure you do. Seems like you feel more compelled to press for resolution than the prof does.
I wonder if either of you could say how you balance the onus to spread the word with the recognition that even members of your own family may come to a different conclusion regarding gods than you do.
Sounds like I'm fishing for the old homily about seeking the strength to change what you can and accept what you can't. How well do you feel you do about recognizing the difference?
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RE: How do christians view apostasy
December 13, 2014 at 9:53 am
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(December 13, 2014 at 2:26 am)Godschild Wrote: (December 13, 2014 at 2:12 am)Nope Wrote: No, it was not obvious or I wouldn't have asked the question.
This was the OP's question
I did not see where you answered the question and I was curious about your answer. If I somehow missed your response, I apologize but I don't see where you answered these specific questions like the professor did.
Sionnach post was what I responded to, Sionnach's name was right there on my post.
I did not answer the OP because I could add nothing to what Professor stated.
GC
When I first asked you, I specifically said the OP. I don't know why you thought I meant Sionnach.
Because I already read the Prof's post, I would like to know your thoughts on the OP's question in your own words.
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RE: How do christians view apostasy
December 13, 2014 at 10:17 am
(December 13, 2014 at 8:29 am)watchamadoodle Wrote: (December 12, 2014 at 4:11 am)TubbyTubby Wrote: I asked this question on another forum but there were not too many responses from christians so I thought I would repeat it here. I've referred to christians but only because that seems to be the majority of the theist population on this forum.
We have occassional stories of people leaving their religion and a particularly heartfelt account earlier today.
I was wondering whether reading these tales of indoctrination at an early age and then escape later in life if any christian members here relate to any of it? Do you ignore these people? What would you do if your child, who you had brought up strictly christian eventually rejected your god?
There is an ex-Christian forum where some Christians were affected by the testimonies and arguments of apostates. Eventually these Christians became apostates too.
Generally speaking, I think Christians do not listen to apostates. They assume that apostates are rebellious Christians who still believe in God but want to sin.
How can christians avoid listening to apostates ?
The pulpits are filled with them, the broadcast airwaves are jammed with their heresies. It is tough, if not impossible to overstate the ludicrous level of obsessive, chronic gullibility in the christian sphere. There is no resistance to apostasy, heretics and blasphemers are rife in the movement.
39,999 'christian' sects, denominations, and schisms are in FULL revolt from the Word of God.
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RE: How do christians view apostasy
December 13, 2014 at 10:37 am
(December 13, 2014 at 10:17 am)vorlon13 Wrote: (December 13, 2014 at 8:29 am)watchamadoodle Wrote: There is an ex-Christian forum where some Christians were affected by the testimonies and arguments of apostates. Eventually these Christians became apostates too.
Generally speaking, I think Christians do not listen to apostates. They assume that apostates are rebellious Christians who still believe in God but want to sin.
How can christians avoid listening to apostates ?
The pulpits are filled with them, the broadcast airwaves are jammed with their heresies. It is tough, if not impossible to overstate the ludicrous level of obsessive, chronic gullibility in the christian sphere. There is no resistance to apostasy, heretics and blasphemers are rife in the movement.
39,999 'christian' sects, denominations, and schisms are in FULL revolt from the Word of God.
If christianity had its shit together they wouldn't have so many different sects of the same teaching and having so many different interpretations. lets say a what if god was real only a small minority of people would go to heaven due to the fact they had the wrong interpretation. then out of that small minority lets throw out all of them as well into hell. no one gets to go to heaven because one time or another we wore mixed fabrics and ate of beasts from the sea I.E. crab and lobster and much more. this is why christianity has so much apostasy and heretics.
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