god has no free will

[dyresand]

[The Valkyrie]

God almost certainly also ha no existence.

[IATIA]

But god would have to choose a lot of things. People could have been shades of blue and green. The sky could have been red. There would have been a myriad of choices that needed to be made.

As far as morality, god would have to answer to no one, so the term could not apply.

Free will? Just because one knows the choice one would make does not mean the choice was not made.

[dyresand]

But god would have to choose a lot of things. People could have been shades of blue and green. The sky could have been red. There would have been a myriad of choices that needed to be made.

As far as morality, god would have to answer to no one, so the term could not apply.

Free will? Just because one knows the choice one would make does not mean the choice was not made.

god know everything ergo he has no free will to do what ever.
if he could change what ever he wants he gives up the power to be all knowing.

[dyresand]

what i should clearly say is.
if god knows everything ergo he still would make the same choices.
if god wanted to make a choice he would not be all knowing.
so god does all these things because he has no free will of his own to stop himself.
the things he would do would yes have consequences on humanity well the people
in the bible. but his actions are amoral neither good or bad.

[Heywood]

[dyresand]

[Heywood]

It is predetermined if god exists.
all i am saying is if god is all knowing and theists like to say that.
he knows everything he knows every outcome even to the smallest detail.
even he to will fall victim to it. lets say if you were god you know everything you know who is worth and who isn't. you will know every action of every human being except your own like we as people do not know our future actions years down the road. i think thunderf00t explained it best.

Again, predetermined by what? If it is predetermined by God's choice then God has made a choice. Choice necessitates free will.

Every choice you make is made before the action. If you choose to turn on a light switch, you make the choice to turn on the light switch before you actually turn on the light switch. How does having foreknowledge of the action that you are going to take eliminate your free will? It does not. You still make the choice. I do not see why God should be an exception. That God, if he makes his choice ahead of an action somehow that causes him not to have any free will.

[dyresand]

It is predetermined if god exists.
all i am saying is if god is all knowing and theists like to say that.
he knows everything he knows every outcome even to the smallest detail.
even he to will fall victim to it. lets say if you were god you know everything you know who is worth and who isn't. you will know every action of every human being except your own like we as people do not know our future actions years down the road. i think thunderf00t explained it best.

Again, predetermined by what? If it is predetermined by God's choice then God has made a choice. Choice necessitates free will.

Every choice you make is made before the action. If you choose to turn on a light switch, you make the choice to turn on the light switch before you actually turn on the light switch. How does having foreknowledge of the action that you are going to take eliminate your free will? It does not. You still make the choice. I do not see why God should be an exception. That God, if he makes his choice ahead of an action somehow that causes him not to have any free will.

newtons laws of motion <-

say for instance the only way for it to be disproved if we had a time machine.
we could observe our future self eating something then go back to your own present time a few minutes later and
chances are would we or would we not eat the same thing or do the same action.

but even still there is the uncertainty principle with things so who knows.

[Spooky]

Interesting, thanks for posting. Very logical.