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RE: Don't let them off the Hook.
December 15, 2014 at 12:10 pm
(December 15, 2014 at 12:09 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Cars have other, legitimate, uses, Chas. Guns exist to fire bullets. Manufacturing and selling a weapon like that for "civilian" commerce we should reasonably expect to see one end up in the wrong hands eventually.
Guns as well have legitimate uses.
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RE: Don't let them off the Hook.
December 15, 2014 at 12:10 pm
(December 15, 2014 at 12:06 pm)Nope Wrote: Wouldn't smart guns prevent some mass shootings? The NRA is against smart guns but I have never understood why.
The NRA isn't against smart guns, per se; it is against legislation to require the not-yet-proven technology.
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RE: Don't let them off the Hook.
December 15, 2014 at 12:12 pm
(December 15, 2014 at 12:10 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: (December 15, 2014 at 12:09 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Cars have other, legitimate, uses, Chas. Guns exist to fire bullets. Manufacturing and selling a weapon like that for "civilian" commerce we should reasonably expect to see one end up in the wrong hands eventually.
Guns as well have legitimate uses.
Easily done without. Cars? We are pretty much stuck with cars.
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RE: Don't let them off the Hook.
December 15, 2014 at 12:12 pm
(December 15, 2014 at 12:09 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Cars have other, legitimate, uses, Chas. Guns exist to fire bullets. Manufacturing and selling a weapon like that for "civilian" commerce we should reasonably expect to see one end up in the wrong hands eventually.
And guns have legitimate uses other than killing or injuring people.
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RE: Don't let them off the Hook.
December 15, 2014 at 12:13 pm
(December 15, 2014 at 12:12 pm)Minimalist Wrote: (December 15, 2014 at 12:10 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: Guns as well have legitimate uses.
Easily done without. Cars? We are pretty much stuck with cars.
Running over wild hogs is a good way to fuck up my truck, no thanks.
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RE: Don't let them off the Hook.
December 15, 2014 at 12:15 pm
Guns fire bullets. Perhaps target shooting would qualify as a harmless activity...except people fuck up at shooting ranges too. Hunting? Hunters frequently shoot things other than what they are supposed to be aiming at.
I imagine now we'll get the 'self-defense' claim?
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RE: Don't let them off the Hook.
December 15, 2014 at 12:16 pm
(December 15, 2014 at 12:12 pm)Chas Wrote: (December 15, 2014 at 12:09 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Cars have other, legitimate, uses, Chas. Guns exist to fire bullets. Manufacturing and selling a weapon like that for "civilian" commerce we should reasonably expect to see one end up in the wrong hands eventually.
And guns have legitimate uses other than killing or injuring people.
And? Still does not change the makers and the NRA using scare tactics to sell to both the public and police and pit them against each other to keep their flooded market.
This is not about rights, this is about a big business scaring the shit out of everyone to make money.
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RE: Don't let them off the Hook.
December 15, 2014 at 12:32 pm
(December 15, 2014 at 12:06 pm)Nope Wrote: Wouldn't smart guns prevent some mass shootings? The NRA is against smart guns but I have never understood why. Eventually, the guns became too smart...
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RE: Don't let them off the Hook.
December 15, 2014 at 12:33 pm
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(December 15, 2014 at 12:15 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Hunting? Hunters frequently shoot things other than what they are supposed to be aiming at. They do, and if/when they do they can be held accountable. Yeah?
(this one is near and dear to my heart...lol, fucking game wardens - you think cops are scary?...try those motherfuckers sometime)
Quote:I imagine now we'll get the 'self-defense' claim?
LOL< I stand with my "buy a nice door with a sturdy lock/ and or just accept that you might get your ass beaten some day because you aren't willing to turn into a fucking barbarian on the off-chance that someone hit you in the jaw" theory of self defense. The firearms in self defense bit is fantasy, imo, that people like to foist upon themselves and others. I don;t see that many of us will ever find ourselves in a situation where a guin would be an appropriate response to a threat (but I guess I have a different idea of whats appropriate). Hell, I don't even think that a gun is a very good response to the threat of a gun. Shit...if there was anything you could do to make the situation at least twice as dangerous...immediately....that has to be it.
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@ Brian, I don't see gun manufacturers doing that at all. They keep telling me how accurate and reliable the rifle is.....these things are important to me...I don't wan't to watch an animal linger(it's heartbreaking).
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RE: Don't let them off the Hook.
December 15, 2014 at 12:42 pm
(December 15, 2014 at 12:33 pm)Rhythm Wrote: (December 15, 2014 at 12:15 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Hunting? Hunters frequently shoot things other than what they are supposed to be aiming at. They do, and if/when they do they can be held accountable. Yeah?
(this one is near and dear to my heart...lol, fucking game wardens - you think cops are scary?...try those motherfuckers sometime)
Quote:I imagine now we'll get the 'self-defense' claim?
LOL< I stand with my "buy a nice door with a sturdy lock/ and or just accept that you might get your ass beaten some day because you aren't willing to turn into a fucking barbarian on the off-chance that someone hit you in the jaw" theory of self defense. The firearms in self defense bit is fantasy, imo, that people like to foist upon themselves and others. I don;t see that many of us will ever find ourselves in a situation where a guin would be an appropriate response to a threat (but I guess I have a different idea of whats appropriate). Hell, I don't even think that a gun is a very good response to the threat of a gun. Shit...if there was anything you could do to make the situation at least twice as dangerous...immediately....that has to be it.
LOL< TONUS...."Hasta la vista....like the terminator told ya"-HAL
@Brian, I don't see gun manufacturers doing that at all. They keep telling me how accurate and reliable the rifle is.....these things are important to me...I don't wan't to watch an animal linger(it's heartbreaking).
You don't? Go to a pawn shop, go to a big one, just count the number of guns in just that one. Go to another and another and count them. Go to gun shop, and count. If you think there are not too many you are nuts.
Gun makers are like any other business. They work for their own profits and like any other business they work to expand the market.
Guns are made like candy and pumped out like candy.
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