Whats so offensive about Christianity

[robvalue]

You need to start using your own judgement about what is right and wrong. Actually right and wrong. Unless you are a sociopath, you have a conscience which lets you know this. Stop ignoring it, because a dictator saying something is right does not make it right. Do you think fascist dictatorship is a good way to determine morals?

Morals are meant to be about what is good or bad for people and society. It's bad enough to stick up for a dictator, but when it's one that doesn't even exist, you have some serious soul searching to do. Take responsibility and stop passing the buck.

[Thumpalumpacus]

You need to start using your own judgement about what is right and wrong. Actually right and wrong. Unless you are a sociopath, you have a conscience which lets you know this. Stop ignoring it, because a dictator saying something is right does not make it right. Do you think fascist dictatorship is a good way to determine morals?

Morals are meant to be about what is good or bad for people and society. It's bad enough to stick up for a dictator, but when it's one that doesn't even exist, you have some serious soul searching to do. Take responsibility and stop passing the buck.

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[Drich]

Once at work, the rhythm is infernal, because the number of canes that they cut will determine their wages.

Hey, asshole - and yes, Drippy, I mean you.

"Slaves" do not get "wages."

This is why anything you post is damned near worthless. You don't have the brains you were born with.

and this would be number 5..

Look up the word minnie, just because on the plantation you grew up on you didn't pay your slaves doesn't mean all slaves are unpaid. Slavery is defined by excessive manual labor with little to no pay.
Never mind I will do it for you:

slave


/slāv/


noun
historical

noun: slave; plural noun: slaves



1.



a person who is the legal property of another and is forced to obey them.




synonyms:

historicalserf, vassal, thrall; More


archaicbondsman, bondswoman

"the work was done by slaves"





antonyms:

freeman, master



•

a person who works very hard without proper remuneration or appreciation.

"by the time I was ten, I had become her slave, doing all the housework"




synonyms:

drudge, servant, lackey, minion;


informalgofer

"Anna was his willing slave"



•

a person who is excessively dependent upon or controlled by something.

"the poorest people of the world are slaves to the banks"




synonyms:

devotee, worshiper, adherent; More


now in the above google provided defination where does it say a slave HAS to be unpaid?

[The Grand Nudger]

You're a moron, but even if you weren't - and had a decent point...it wouldn't matter.

"God/I is/am no worse than the shittiest human beings among us"
-Yeah, no shit...that's what I've been saying about you both since you joined........

[Drich]

Yes, modern day near-nothing pay labour is terrible. Really bad. And should be addressed as much as possible.

It is not however slavery. It's amazing to me that someone can't or won't see the difference. Also, you're claiming slavery is actually fine, while slagging us off for "supporting" something that is better than slavery.

And is God so incompetent that he requires either of these for his perfect world to function? Or must we hear about an apple again?

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And of course, any actual slavery going on today is completely wrong. Obviously. I can't believe I even feel the need to have to type that.

I cannot make head nor tail of your argument. Firstly you just declare it's OK because your invisible friend says it's OK, but then you feel the need to justify it by pointing out that it exists in the modern world. How that second bit works I have no idea. Plenty of things exists in the modern world, doesn't make them right.

right now in Fl a produce harvester can expect to make 15.00 a day, unless he can pick what the grow predetermines as a quota. If he can do this then he can expect a bonus based on the bushel or pound of produce picked. I have never heard of anyone earning over 100 dollars even in the 12 to 14 hours that some pickers work.

But lets say pedro did work 14 hours and made that 100 dollar bonus, that comes out to 7.15 an hour, that is below the federal minimum wage. They can get away with this becauseit is deem an agicurtural enterprise and is not subject to such things as minimum wage or over time, child labor restrictions. (Otherwise people like you could not afford your groceries)
http://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/whdfs12.htm

Now given the defination of slavery I left for minnie tell me how this is not slavery.

The problem you people have is that you have been conditioned in your mind to only recognise one kind of slavery, yes that is slavery but it is not the only form of it.

When you close your minds to all other forms you give modern day slave owners free reign to treat modern day slaves right here in this country any way they wish.

My grandfather fell over in a feild at 83 of heat stroke, and woke up several days later out of a comma with brain damage, and there was nothing we could do because his job did not afford him any rights... This was in 1989, but little has changed since then.

He spent the rest of his life in a nursing home tied to a wheel chair. The land owner sent a a covered dish of food when he died.

Again, slavery exists now. Just about every fresh and frozen thing you put in your mouth to eat was cared for and harvested by slaves. In this country or worse yet in others. Again if you live in a city and do not grow or produce everything you use, you need a slave to do that for you otherwise you could not afford to have it if everyone made a 'fair wage.' like wise slaves need and line up for thier jobs, and without them would die.

So what is the compromise living an economy based on the haves and the have nots? Make the haves be responsiable for the have nots by ensuring those have nots are not taken advantage of Rather than pretending they don't exist anymore leaving them subject to the whim of the have's.

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Mindless selfrighteous name calling, all of you! Not one of you had nutted up and addressed the articals I left on modern day slavery and how the European markets are getting fat off the backs of sugar cane plantation slaves just like they did a few hundred years back! What the self righteous rarly see or understand is inorder to justify their own righteousness they must ignore evidence and history.. And those who are ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it!

Why is it out of the 10 responses given since my last post not ONE has addressed the artical I left? Rather your efforts seem to center around the destruction of the messenger rather than the message. This may work in the broken intellects of philosophers who's primary focus is to debate faith, but here you have evidence and can not/have not even tried to dispute it to maintain your position. Rather you hold fast to your sickening self righteousness as if it were some prize to covet, and lash out at everything that challenges what it comfortable to you..

You fancy yourselves thinkers? You pretend to demand and act on evidence. You have been given oppertunity for both and done neither. Rather you vilify the messenger because pop morality demands it. Otherwise you would have to see yourselves for who you really are rather than who it is you pretend to be.

I wish you all long consumer based lives filled with many Black Friday door buster deals and all the organic out of season produce you can juice in 100 year span.

The book of philemon is dedicated to reconsile philemon (slave owner) with oneimus (slave) Paul encourages Philemon to accept oneimus not just as a slave but as a brother in Christ. (To forgive him from running away.)

Again not condemning the fact that Philemon was keeping oneimus as a slave, but rather focousing on how oneimus was treated.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?ve...ilemon%201
So my understanding of your argument is that references to slavery in the Bible are intended to regulate the practice to prevent exploitation? (Sorry, I don't have the energy to read the links - at least right now.)

I wonder if the actual verses in the Bible support that position?

[Silver]

For one thing, and I know this because I live here in Florida, is that Pedro is usually an illegal immigrant who knows and appreciates the pay he receives because it is honestly more than he would earn back in Mexico.

Secondly, as others have already stated, it is not slavery. You are merely twisting the definition to suit your agenda; and that is intellectually dishonest.

[Drich]

You fancy yourselves thinkers? You pretend to demand and act on evidence. You have been given oppertunity for both and done neither. Rather you vilify the messenger because pop morality demands it. Otherwise you would have to see yourselves for who you really are rather than who it is you pretend to be.

You cannot even distinguish between low-paying jobs and slavery. Why on Earth should anyone listen to you?

You're busy defending your approval of slavery, and trying to deflect the point because you know exactly how evil the slavery you're defending -- the slavery your god approves -- you know that slavery is wrong, but you don't want to address that point.

You need to stop being a cunt, and understand that your god approves of the evil that is slavery.

Again, Slavery has nothing to do with whether or not you are compensated at all or not. Haven't you ever heard of a slave buying his own freedom back?!?!?! If A Slave is not EVER paid then how is it possible that a slave could raise the $400-600/80K today's dollars to buy themselves freedom?
http://www.measuringworth.com/slavery.php

I'm am the one who speak from an position of education and fact, while you speak from sterotypes and myth.

[Cato]

Public Service Announcement:

Warning! Drich is again going off the rails by redefining slavery to mean any human transaction that might be considered inequitable. Although his intent is to attempt to provide cover for his dipshit slavery condoning god, he actually demonstrates that he considers slavery to be nothing more than a poorly negotiated labor contract.

We now return to regular programming.

[Silver]

Haven't you ever heard of a slave buying his own freedom back?!?!?! If A Slave is not EVER paid then how is it possible that a slave could raise the $400-600/80K today's dollars to buy themselves freedom?

You idiot, brush up on your History. Slaves bought their freedom through the service they provided to their masters.



Of course, history also shows that slave owners merely lied, allowing their slaves to believe that they could one day be free through the excellent service they provided; all in order to make them work better and harder.

[Drich]

For one thing, and I know this because I live here in Florida, is that Pedro is usually an illegal immigrant who knows and appreciates the pay he receives because it is honestly more than he would earn back in Mexico.

Secondly, as others have already stated, it is not slavery. You are merely twisting the definition to suit your agenda; and that is intellectually dishonest.

I posted a legit defination. You have not. That means my defination is the one that can be verified as repersenting what slavery actually is. You like the rest of your 'free thinking' group are speaking of sterotypes and myth.

Unless you can support what you believe with documentation, then what you believe, when it contradicts documented facts (like what I have provided) is what is wrong, no matter how firmly you and your confused 'thinking' buddies believe it to be true.

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Haven't you ever heard of a slave buying his own freedom back?!?!?! If A Slave is not EVER paid then how is it possible that a slave could raise the $400-600/80K today's dollars to buy themselves freedom?

You idiot, brush up on your History. Slaves bought their freedom through the service they provided to their masters.



Of course, history also shows that slave owners merely lied, allowing their slaves to believe that they could one day be free through the excellent service they provided; all in order to make them work better and harder.

WHICH IS A FORM OF COMPENSATION! The Standing defination you all have been using is a slave can not be compensated!!!