[split] Hello everyone

[Whateverist]

My name is Lambert and this is my first post here. I used to frequent the Internet Infidels and kind of learned what atheist are all about.

So I am a Catholic and I always thought that they never become an atheist but just quit going to church. Does that make sense to anyone here?

With all respect what I bolded seems more like an invitation to a discussion than an introduction and I agree that it doesn't really belong here. Can it be moved?

[Chili]

I've scanned through this thread and must say I remain unclear what point if any you wish to make. You wonder if there really are any atheists rather than simply theists who choose to sleep in on Sunday. You say Catholicism does not fall under the tent of Christianity. I don't know why you think either of these things or what larger point you may be trying to make.

For what difference it makes to your understanding, I am simply someone who does not subscribe to belief in gods. More than that I find the very concept of gods largely incoherent and ill defined. You may decide for yourself if your current concept of atheism is adequate. Certainly what you decide will have no impact on anything of importance to me.

Of course not, and good for you. I am not trying to convince anyone here to be come Catholic, nor will I ever send an invitation to anyone here.

What you believe is your choice to make and that always has been that way. I am just saying that the word Christianity is a total misnomer and has always been. The -ity does not belong as an end in itself where our mansion or destiny is at, and that can be no greater than an out-house for all I care, but is and remains where we come full circle in life and then know for the first time who we really are.

That is what religion is supposed to be about with no promise made in the here-after other than the intuit knowing when it is time to spin our own cocoon, and that is what tradition is all about.

It is you right to accept what at one time was known as the state or national Religion and you (impersonal) were never forced what to believe and what not to believe.

You can sleep in all you want to and at best they would call you free-loader which is also a normal stage in life as believer, and so is normal in life for believers also. Literature is full of this and nobody is pointing a finger here.

[abaris]

You know what. Lambert.

Let's take this discussion to a different thread as rexbecca said. This goes way beyond what the introduction section is for.

[Chili]

My name is Lambert and this is my first post here. I used to frequent the Internet Infidels and kind of learned what atheist are all about.

So I am a Catholic and I always thought that they never become an atheist but just quit going to church. Does that make sense to anyone here?

Hello!

It doesn't make sense to me, since I was a Catholic. I pretty much turned my back on religion when I was still a child. It didn't interest me and all the services did was bore me to pieces.

I agree that Catholic doctrine is more liberal and flexibel than say evangelical christianity, but it's still the same bible. A book that never made any sense to me.

Anyway, glad to see a catholic made it here. We already have enough evangelicals and it's probably refreshing to get another christian viewpoint.

Ok, but it is not true that Catholicism is bible based other than to serve as the negative stand against which liberation is found. The same is true in Judaism where the Torah of tradition will yield while the written Torah does not, which then is where Orthodoxy has no graphics (doxography) of it's own lest paradox become the deceiver among.

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You know what. Lambert.

Let's take this discussion to a different thread as rexbecca said. This goes way beyond what the introduction section is for.

Sure I have no problem with that. I just made a simple statement that Catholics have nothing invested in their religion and just quit going to church when they know enough. That's all, and then just stay home with no hard feelings about it. Cf theist and a-theist is other than that.

Take it where you like but please know that I am never protagonist here.

[rexbeccarox]

Closing for staff review due to the fact that you guys can't keep it in your pants. (Except for Abaris).

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Split thread from Intro forum now open for business.

[Alex K]

I thought I'd join the discussion, and I read the discussion thread, and I can say with good conscience that I have no f***ing clue what Lambert is saying. I really don't.

[robvalue]

I second that. I think we've established that being an atheist is not dependent on first being a theist, nor does being a theist stop you becoming an atheist.

If there's a further point or question, I don't know what it is.

[fr0d0]

Yay!!

At first I was confused, then I was petrified....

Yeah I get you Lambert. You have the usual batch of misconceptions with some wild sauce thrown in, but I'm warming to you.

"Catholicism" capital "C" is indeed a thing beyond it's original all encompassing meaning (small "c"). The clergy took away that dangerous direct contact with the deity, forced Latin only to keep the riff raff out of the top jobs, and many many other departures from the faith they choose to call " original ". Martin Luther, what a hero! *sigh*.

Still, as a Christian, I regards Catholics as sisters and brothers in Christ (more than "Christian" as my friends here correctly point out encompasses anyone following Jesus yet not necessarily acknowledging his deity).

You seem a fungi and I look forward to seeing more fun posts

[pocaracas]

Where in Europe are you from?


errr... wrong!
Take orthodox christians as an example of pre-protestant christians.
Also, catholics ARE christians.

Sorry Orthodox Christians? Pre-protestant Christians?

Orthodoxy is without paradox as that is what orthodox means . . . to say that they are not saved-sinner for sure.

Christian is without paradox as that is what Christian means = freedom from the law of slavery to sin.

That must have been a protestant Wiki, you think?

It's so nice that they split this thread up!

Orthodox christianity.
You seem confused as to what "orthodox" means... Here are a few dictionary entries.
Orthodox:
adjective
1. of, relating to, or conforming to the approved form of any doctrine, philosophy, ideology, etc.
2. of, relating to, or conforming to beliefs, attitudes, or modes of conduct that are generally approved.
3. customary or conventional, as a means or method; established.
4. sound or correct in opinion or doctrine, especially theological or religious doctrine.
5. conforming to the Christian faith as represented in the creeds of the early church.


So, I'd say it's following the pre-established order of things.
If their claim is true, then the orthodox are the ones who follow the true teachings of christ... or something along those lines.
While catholics follow the "building" initiated by Peter, the stone. A different interpretation of the "original" teachings of the one they called the christ... so they're also christians.


also...

The First Council of Nicaea was a council of Christian bishops convened in Nicaea in Bithynia by the Roman Emperor Constantine I in AD 325. This first ecumenical council was the first effort to attain consensus in the church through an assembly representing all of Christendom.[5]

Its main accomplishments were settlement of the Christological issue of the nature of the Son of God and his relationship to God the Father,[3] the construction of the first part of the Creed of Nicaea, establishing uniform observance of the date of Easter,[6] and promulgation of early canon law.[4][7]

oh, the wiki is protestant... woe to the wiki!


Perhaps we can look into those CoE protestants:

Council of Nicaea, (325), the first ecumenical council of the Christian church, meeting in ancient Nicaea (now İznik, Tur.). It was called by the emperor Constantine I, an unbaptized catechumen, or neophyte, who presided over the opening session and took part in the discussions. He hoped a general council of the church would solve the problem created in the Eastern church by Arianism, a heresy first proposed by Arius of Alexandria that affirmed that Christ is not divine but a created being. Pope Sylvester I did not attend the council but was represented by legates.