Indoctrination & Mental Gymnastics

[Huggy Bear]

Where in the bible exactly, did God command Lucifer to kill 10 people?

Story of job. He had to kill those 10 people god wasn't going to.

It's very simple, you claimed that God commanded Lucifer to kill 10 people.
All I want to see in your next post is the chapter and verse of where this takes place in the bible.

[abaris]

It's very simple, you claimed that God commanded Lucifer to kill 10 people.
All I want to see in your next post is the chapter and verse of where this takes place in the bible.

God's little bet with Satan at the expense of Job's family and servants.

And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. Job 1:12a

So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD. Job 1:12b

And there was a day when his sons and his daughters were eating and drinking wine in their eldest brother's house Job 1:13

And there came a messenger unto Job, and said, The oxen were plowing, and the asses feeding beside them: And the Sabeans fell upon them, and took them away; yea, they have slain the servants with the edge of the sword; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee. Job 1:14-15

While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, Thy sons and thy daughters were eating and drinking wine in their eldest brother's house: And, behold, there came a great wind from the wilderness, and smote the four corners of the house, and it fell upon the young men, and they are dead; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee. Job 1:18-19

Then Job arose, and rent his mantle, and shaved his head, and fell down upon the ground, and worshipped. Job 1:20

And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD. Job 1:21

God rewarded Job tenfold as is said, but his family was still gone.

[dyresand]

It's very simple, you claimed that God commanded Lucifer to kill 10 people.
All I want to see in your next post is the chapter and verse of where this takes place in the bible.

God's little bet with Satan at the expense of Job's family and servants.

And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. Job 1:12a

So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD. Job 1:12b

And there was a day when his sons and his daughters were eating and drinking wine in their eldest brother's house Job 1:13

And there came a messenger unto Job, and said, The oxen were plowing, and the asses feeding beside them: And the Sabeans fell upon them, and took them away; yea, they have slain the servants with the edge of the sword; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee. Job 1:14-15

While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, Thy sons and thy daughters were eating and drinking wine in their eldest brother's house: And, behold, there came a great wind from the wilderness, and smote the four corners of the house, and it fell upon the young men, and they are dead; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee. Job 1:18-19

Then Job arose, and rent his mantle, and shaved his head, and fell down upon the ground, and worshipped. Job 1:20

And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD. Job 1:21

God rewarded Job tenfold as is said, but his family was still gone.

If job only knew.. if only job knew the truth...

[Huggy Bear]

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It's very simple, you claimed that God commanded Lucifer to kill 10 people.
All I want to see in your next post is the chapter and verse of where this takes place in the bible.

God's little bet with Satan at the expense of Job's family and servants.

And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. Job 1:12a

So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD. Job 1:12b

And there was a day when his sons and his daughters were eating and drinking wine in their eldest brother's house Job 1:13

And there came a messenger unto Job, and said, The oxen were plowing, and the asses feeding beside them: And the Sabeans fell upon them, and took them away; yea, they have slain the servants with the edge of the sword; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee. Job 1:14-15

While he was yet speaking, there came also another, and said, Thy sons and thy daughters were eating and drinking wine in their eldest brother's house: And, behold, there came a great wind from the wilderness, and smote the four corners of the house, and it fell upon the young men, and they are dead; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee. Job 1:18-19

Then Job arose, and rent his mantle, and shaved his head, and fell down upon the ground, and worshipped. Job 1:20

And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD. Job 1:21

God rewarded Job tenfold as is said, but his family was still gone.

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And where is the specified command to kill 10 people?

If you took the time to read and understand the bible, then you would know that all children of God must be tested, even Jesus himself was tested. The reason God allows these tests are for the purpose of building character.

The bible compares this to refining gold, in which all the impurities had to be beaten out.

1 Peter 1:7
That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

In the story of Job, you have the devil essentially complaining that he couldn't get to Job because of God's protection. All God did was pull back and let the devil do to Job what he was already doing to everyone else, except he didn't allow him to take Job's life.

But what of all those Christians that he did allow Satan to kill in the Roman coliseums? Or the ones persecuted under Roman Catholicism? If you've ever read foxes book of martyrs, you'd know they gave their lives gladly.

Revelation 2:10
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

from Foxe's Book of Martyrs:

The account given us by an eminent primitive writer, Clemens Alexandrinus, ought not to be overlooked; that, as James was led to the place of martyrdom, his accuser was brought to repent of his conduct by the apostle's extraordinary courage and undauntedness, and fell down at his feet to request his pardon, professing himself a christian, and resolving that James should not receive the crown of martyrdom alone. Hence they were both beheaded at the same time. Thus did the first apostolic martyr cheerfully and resolutely receive that cup, which he had told our Saviour he was ready to drink.

Satan would love to destroy everyone on the planet except he's on a leash for the sake of the elect. once the elect are gone, then all hell will break loose, aka the "great tribulation".

[The Grand Nudger]

By "test" you mean "have his family killed by a goon". No sense in sterilizing the narrative. I guess it serves the thread title, but meh.

[dyresand]

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God's little bet with Satan at the expense of Job's family and servants.


God rewarded Job tenfold as is said, but his family was still gone.

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And where is the specified command to kill 10 people?

If you took the time to read and understand the bible, then you would know that all children of God must be tested, even Jesus himself was tested. The reason God allows these tests are for the purpose of building character.

The bible compares this to refining gold, in which all the impurities had to be beaten out.

1 Peter 1:7
That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

In the story of Job, you have the devil essentially complaining that he couldn't get to Job because of God's protection. All God did was pull back and let the devil do to Job what he was already doing to everyone else, except he didn't allow him to take Job's life.

But what of all those Christians that he did allow Satan to kill in the Roman coliseums? Or the ones persecuted under Roman Catholicism? If you've ever read foxes book of martyrs, you'd know they gave their lives gladly.

Revelation 2:10
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

from Foxe's Book of Martyrs:

The account given us by an eminent primitive writer, Clemens Alexandrinus, ought not to be overlooked; that, as James was led to the place of martyrdom, his accuser was brought to repent of his conduct by the apostle's extraordinary courage and undauntedness, and fell down at his feet to request his pardon, professing himself a christian, and resolving that James should not receive the crown of martyrdom alone. Hence they were both beheaded at the same time. Thus did the first apostolic martyr cheerfully and resolutely receive that cup, which he had told our Saviour he was ready to drink.

Satan would love to destroy everyone on the planet except he's on a leash for the sake of the elect. once the elect are gone, then all hell will break loose, aka the "great tribulation".

Do you know Satan personally? I mean the bible is written so one sided it favors god. And lets be honest Lucifer was probably being the bigger man not showing up anymore or even talking shit about god. Yet god in the bible always talked so badly about him.

[Huggy Bear]

By "test" you mean "have his family killed by a goon". No sense in sterilizing the narrative. I guess it serves the thread title, but meh.

God didn't "have his family killed" he gave no special instructions to Satan other than to not touch Job, Satan killed his family.

We all will die, where we go after we die is what matters, and Job is back with his family, far richer than he ever was on earth.

[psychoslice]

Love is letting one be who they want to be, it doesn't force itself onto anyone, if she is happy in her beliefs then why do you need to interfere ?. If you feel like interfering, then you are the one with the problem, not her.

[The Grand Nudger]

By "test" you mean "have his family killed by a goon". No sense in sterilizing the narrative. I guess it serves the thread title, but meh.

God didn't "have his family killed" he gave no special instructions to Satan other than to not touch Job, Satan killed his family.

Right on que, the mob lawyer defense. :yawn:

We all will die, where we go after we die is what matters, and Job is back with his family, far richer than he ever was on earth.

Yeah, god called a mulligan on that one. Nevertheless, he still had his family wacked - excuse me- he still "tested" him. Who cares, are you aiming directly for the drain on this one? The thief gave it all back, so, you know..he's not thief - yadda yadda yadda.

[Huggy Bear]

Yeah, god called a mulligan on that one. Nevertheless, he still had his family wacked - excuse me- he still "tested" him. Who cares, are you aiming directly for the drain on this one? The thief gave it all back, so, you know..he's not thief - yadda yadda yadda.

"Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD."

"Though He slay me, yet will I trust in Him;"

- Job

The bottom line is, a Child of God's mind is set on a prize that isn't earthly, we understand that this is just a temporary dwelling. If you were to live to be 100 Centillion years old it wouldn't even put a dent in eternity, so the 70 or so years you spend on this planet is worth nothing.

It's like you're a beggar clinging to a penny for dear life when God is essentially trying to take the penny and exchange it for a kingdom with unlimited wealth, all he wants is your trust.

Sadly you'll go on clinging to your little penny only to lose it in the end.