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RE: Indoctrination & Mental Gymnastics
January 14, 2015 at 1:03 pm
(January 13, 2015 at 11:10 pm)Full Circle Wrote: lek, your fallback position on “different interpretation” of Scripture is a perfect example of why I think the Christian Bible is but a compendium of contradictory, self-refuting, incomprehensible, unverifiable, pseudepigrapha and co-opted scrambled mish-mash of human imagination that can be interpreted, understood and misunderstood differently by every single person who has ever read it, and keep in mind that this is the “inspired” work of a perfect, omniscient, omnipotent, just God that loves you but created an eternal Hell.
This issue of “different interpretations” of Scripture is why there are some 43,000 Christian sects. Made me think of this:
You can have a zillion different interpretations of many different biblical doctrines, but the thing that makes a christian a christian is faith in Jesus Christ. I could say that I don't believe in evolution because there so many different variations of how we evolved to what we are now. Does that mean that the theory of evolution is nonsense? Just because christians disagree on interpretations of scripture doesn't mean that we are not together as followers of Christ. My christian brothers and sisters come from many different denominations. We're all one in Christ.
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RE: Indoctrination & Mental Gymnastics
January 14, 2015 at 1:05 pm
(January 14, 2015 at 1:03 pm)Lek Wrote: (January 13, 2015 at 11:10 pm)Full Circle Wrote: lek, your fallback position on “different interpretation” of Scripture is a perfect example of why I think the Christian Bible is but a compendium of contradictory, self-refuting, incomprehensible, unverifiable, pseudepigrapha and co-opted scrambled mish-mash of human imagination that can be interpreted, understood and misunderstood differently by every single person who has ever read it, and keep in mind that this is the “inspired” work of a perfect, omniscient, omnipotent, just God that loves you but created an eternal Hell.
This issue of “different interpretations” of Scripture is why there are some 43,000 Christian sects. Made me think of this:
You can have a zillion different interpretations of many different biblical doctrines, but the thing that makes a christian a christian is faith in Jesus Christ. I could say that I don't believe in evolution because there so many different variations of how we evolved to what we are now. Does that mean that the theory of evolution is nonsense? Just because christians disagree on interpretations of scripture doesn't mean that we are not together as followers of Christ. My christian brothers and sisters come from many different denominations. We're all one in Christ.
I'm glad you say that all your need is faith in Jesus Christ. I'm assuming you consider Catholics, Mormons, and all the Protestant denominations to be equally "Christian" then?
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RE: Indoctrination & Mental Gymnastics
January 14, 2015 at 6:12 pm
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(January 14, 2015 at 1:05 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: I'm glad you say that all your need is faith in Jesus Christ. I'm assuming you consider Catholics, Mormons, and all the Protestant denominations to be equally "Christian" then?
I consider catholics and protestants to be christians because they believe in Jesus as presented in scripture. Mormons believe in Jesus as a created being, not God incarnate. If you say you know Lek and you describe him as an atheist, then you don't know Lek.
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RE: Indoctrination & Mental Gymnastics
January 14, 2015 at 7:05 pm
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-and when you say that you know jesus I don't believe you. Y'all are always hatin on some mor-mans, lol, petty fuckers.
(you realize that there actually are and have always been christian groups that don't believe that jesus was god, right? They believe he was Christ.......)
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RE: Indoctrination & Mental Gymnastics
January 14, 2015 at 7:18 pm
(January 14, 2015 at 7:05 pm)Rhythm Wrote: -and when you say that you know jesus I don't believe you. Y'all are always hatin on some mor-mans, lol, petty fuckers.
(you realize that there actually are and have always been christian groups that don't believe that jesus was god, right? They believe he was Christ.......)
I don't hate mormons. I don't hate atheists. I just don't call groups that don't believe Jesus was God christian. I don't hate them.
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RE: Indoctrination & Mental Gymnastics
January 14, 2015 at 7:23 pm
Does a person have to subscribe to your particular sects christology to be considered a christian?
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RE: Indoctrination & Mental Gymnastics
January 14, 2015 at 7:33 pm
(January 14, 2015 at 7:23 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Does a person have to subscribe to your particular sects christology to be considered a christian?
By me? Yes. You can call them whatever you want. I might be wrong. I don't know their hearts - only God does.
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RE: Indoctrination & Mental Gymnastics
January 14, 2015 at 7:34 pm
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Then anyone who isn't in your particular denomination (and likely many within it as well) probably isn't christian. Christology is a wide, wide field. Based on that comment alone, I'd actually be inclined to say that you're probably the only True Christian™ alive...by your metrics. How convenient for you, eh?
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RE: Indoctrination & Mental Gymnastics
January 14, 2015 at 7:44 pm
(January 14, 2015 at 7:34 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Then anyone who isn't in your particular denomination (and likely many within it as well) probably isn't christian. Christology is a wide, wide field. Based on that comment alone, I'd actually be inclined to say that you're probably the only True Christian™ alive...by your metrics. How convenient for you, eh?
I don't have a denomination, but most christian denominations agree with my christology. You just keep coming up with meaningless assertions.
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RE: Indoctrination & Mental Gymnastics
January 14, 2015 at 7:46 pm
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You assume that they do, this only goes to show your disinterest. Further, the notion that any given believer even holds the christology of their denomination is....meh, nevermind, you don't really care.....do you? Is this a conversation that you actually want to dive into? Or, would you rather continue to assert that they must all adhere to whatever christology is floating around in your head - or they're simply not christian -after- having asserted that all that was required was faith in Christ?
41k plus 1, on your count, btw, apparently.
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