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RE: Rational defense of Christianity?
January 3, 2015 at 1:25 pm
(January 3, 2015 at 1:16 pm)Sionnach Wrote: (January 3, 2015 at 1:11 pm)Drich Wrote: What other option do you see?
Should an omnipotent, omniscient being not be capable of understanding and carrying out more options?
I see two options. To co mingle the saved and unsaved in the same plain of existence, or seperate the two.
When satan rebelled, he and his buddies were sent to earth. Do you see the havoc he has caused starting from the garden on ward?
So that means commingling the saved and unsaved would be hell/eternal war between the two sides, so that is out.
Next is separating the two, which is what Hell is. Hell is the absence of anything God has created. It is the pit, void, the second death Christ talks about. There are only two realms according to the bible. Creation and Hell. So by default if not one then The other.
Why would their need to be a third option?
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RE: Rational defense of Christianity?
January 3, 2015 at 1:27 pm
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(January 3, 2015 at 1:25 pm)Drich Wrote: I see two options
From my perspective, you are limiting god because of your inability to properly reason. You are pinning the false dilemma fallacy on him.
(January 3, 2015 at 1:25 pm)Drich Wrote: Why would their need to be a third option?
Because there can be.
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RE: Rational defense of Christianity?
January 3, 2015 at 1:28 pm
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(January 3, 2015 at 1:21 pm)dyresand Wrote: (January 3, 2015 at 1:12 pm)Drich Wrote: Not to the slow or worldly minded no it is not.
 clearly think about all the other religions out there and atheists. Other religions without the Abrahamic god make much more sense even if its minor. And i am clearly smart enough not to believe in god the devil heaven or hell.
They make sense because if they are not of God, they are of/for the slow minded or worldly, and can speak to the slow minded or worldly minded better.
(January 3, 2015 at 1:27 pm)Sionnach Wrote: (January 3, 2015 at 1:25 pm)Drich Wrote: I see two options
From my perspective, you are limiting god because of your inability to properly reason. You are pinning the false dilemma fallacy on him.
(January 3, 2015 at 1:25 pm)Drich Wrote: Why would their need to be a third option?
Because there can be.
I see to options because the bible only lists two sport. God has placed these limits not me.
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RE: Rational defense of Christianity?
January 3, 2015 at 1:31 pm
It's easier to prove the square root of 2 is rational than Christianity.
Thank you, I'll be here all week.
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RE: Rational defense of Christianity?
January 3, 2015 at 1:33 pm
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(January 3, 2015 at 1:31 pm)robvalue Wrote: It's easier to prove the square root of 2 is rational than Christianity.
Thank you, I'll be here all week.
Thankfully, the proof of Christianity is not been to christians to do. This is a task God takes on Himself, and freely provides for all those who simply A/S/K for it.
And I'll be here for another 10 mins or so
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RE: Rational defense of Christianity?
January 3, 2015 at 1:35 pm
(January 3, 2015 at 1:28 pm)Drich Wrote: I see to options because the bible only lists two sport. God has placed these limits not me.
The work of fiction was written by fallible men, which is rather obvious in how they created a being that is not omnipotent, not omniscient, and not good or loving.
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RE: Rational defense of Christianity?
January 3, 2015 at 1:38 pm
(January 3, 2015 at 1:05 pm)Drich Wrote: God allowed the same thing with satan. But was Satan presented with a "tree" of his own, or was he granted knowledge of good and evil in some other manner?
Drich Wrote:Appearently He does not want sentient beings serving Him, that if given a choice would not serve Him. I think that opens up a whole different can of worms. Apparently he has created a universe of sentient beings that generally prefer to go it without him. Doesn't that seem like a planned outcome?
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RE: Rational defense of Christianity?
January 3, 2015 at 1:51 pm
(January 3, 2015 at 1:33 pm)Drich Wrote: Thankfully, the proof of Christianity is not been to christians to do. This is a task God takes on Himself, and freely provides for all those who simply A/S/K for it.
No atheist here believe in your A/S/K bullshit. Many of us have been christian before becoming atheist. We did all the A/S/K for many years and got nowhere. So your A/S/K claim is literally an insult on our experiences and reason.
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RE: Rational defense of Christianity?
January 3, 2015 at 2:01 pm
(January 3, 2015 at 1:51 pm)Surgenator Wrote: No atheist here believe in your A/S/K bullshit. Many of us have been christian before becoming atheist. We did all the A/S/K for many years and got nowhere. So your A/S/K claim is literally an insult on our experiences and reason.
Like all this shit, you need a certain level of gullibility for it to work.
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RE: Rational defense of Christianity?
January 3, 2015 at 2:18 pm
(January 3, 2015 at 1:28 pm)Drich Wrote: (January 3, 2015 at 1:21 pm)dyresand Wrote: clearly think about all the other religions out there and atheists. Other religions without the Abrahamic god make much more sense even if its minor. And i am clearly smart enough not to believe in god the devil heaven or hell.
They make sense because if they are not of God, they are of/for the slow minded or worldly, and can speak to the slow minded or worldly minded better.
Like islam christianity tries to coin being a peaceful religion when its not. Believes of the pagans and the buddhists follow a better system of moralities. Buddhists have a better system of morality than Abrahamic religions do and it shows god is immoral but our moral reasoning. If god told you Dirch to eat your child because a mob of people were going to invade your house you cannot reject it as it is law in the bible. So pagans, buddhists and atheists have much more a value over human life and have better morals. Big shock for you we don't need a good to be good people you are or you aren't.
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