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RE: Being the subject of a prayer
January 7, 2015 at 6:04 pm
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(January 7, 2015 at 1:11 am)dyresand Wrote: (January 6, 2015 at 11:44 pm)Godschild Wrote: You pray to what, the FSM, hows that working out.
GC
You were suggesting an option to the real prayer working so no one will know which worked. I hope that's better.
GC
To what ever the hell is listening i guess.
God's not listening to you, so it must be the FSM, careful you might get a meatball in your eye for saying the wrong thing.
(January 7, 2015 at 7:46 am)watchamadoodle Wrote: (January 6, 2015 at 11:44 pm)Godschild Wrote: You were suggesting an option to the real prayer working so no one will know which worked. I hope that's better.
GC Of course we know that prayer never "works", but the result requested in the prayer might happen naturally, and then the OP might be expected to thank Yahweh for "answering" the prayer.
So if he OP makes a show of requesting help from all kinds of supernatural sources, then maybe the Christians friends will be less likely to expect the OP to thank Yahweh for "answering" the prayer. Maybe the OP can thanks Yahweh, Thor, Lucifer, the lucky rabbit's foot, ... (Of course I know this wouldn't actually work - just making a silly suggestion.)
Realistically, maybe the OP will be so happy after a successful outcome that giving some acknowledgement to Christian friends and their God for imaginary assistance will seem trivial? 
You do have proof that it doesn't work right, please share.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Being the subject of a prayer
January 7, 2015 at 6:59 pm
(January 7, 2015 at 6:04 pm)Godschild Wrote: (January 7, 2015 at 7:46 am)watchamadoodle Wrote: Of course we know that prayer never "works", but the result requested in the prayer might happen naturally, and then the OP might be expected to thank Yahweh for "answering" the prayer.
So if he OP makes a show of requesting help from all kinds of supernatural sources, then maybe the Christians friends will be less likely to expect the OP to thank Yahweh for "answering" the prayer. Maybe the OP can thanks Yahweh, Thor, Lucifer, the lucky rabbit's foot, ... (Of course I know this wouldn't actually work - just making a silly suggestion.)
Realistically, maybe the OP will be so happy after a successful outcome that giving some acknowledgement to Christian friends and their God for imaginary assistance will seem trivial?
You do have proof that it doesn't work right, please share.
GC
I haven't read these links, but they might be a place to start:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studies_on_...ory_prayer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efficacy_of_prayer
As far as I know, all the well-designed experiments have shown a null effect. Of course there are all different types of prayer and maybe someday an experiment will show a positive effect. That hasn't happened yet, so we should assume prayer doesn't work IMO.
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RE: Being the subject of a prayer
January 8, 2015 at 12:12 am
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(January 7, 2015 at 6:59 pm)watchamadoodle Wrote: (January 7, 2015 at 6:04 pm)Godschild Wrote: You do have proof that it doesn't work right, please share.
GC
I haven't read these links, but they might be a place to start:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studies_on_...ory_prayer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efficacy_of_prayer
As far as I know, all the well-designed experiments have shown a null effect. Of course there are all different types of prayer and maybe someday an experiment will show a positive effect. That hasn't happened yet, so we should assume prayer doesn't work IMO.
Your opinion has no merit, I've seen prayer work time and again, I know you will dismiss it for one reason or the other, but you weren't there so you couldn't know the situation. Let's say for a minute you believed the God of the Bible was real, just saying, do you really think He would allow man to test Him in His goodness?
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Being the subject of a prayer
January 8, 2015 at 12:16 am
(January 8, 2015 at 12:12 am)Godschild Wrote: (January 7, 2015 at 6:59 pm)watchamadoodle Wrote: I haven't read these links, but they might be a place to start:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studies_on_...ory_prayer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efficacy_of_prayer
As far as I know, all the well-designed experiments have shown a null effect. Of course there are all different types of prayer and maybe someday an experiment will show a positive effect. That hasn't happened yet, so we should assume prayer doesn't work IMO.
Your opinion has no merit, I've seen prayer work time and again, I know you will dismiss it for one reason or the other, but you weren't there so you couldn't know the situation. Let's say for a minute you believed the God of the Bible was real, just saying, do you really think He would allow man to test Him in His goodness?
GC
Which one of your prayers has come true then i swear i won't say anything out the way.
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RE: Being the subject of a prayer
January 8, 2015 at 12:59 am
(January 8, 2015 at 12:12 am)Godschild Wrote: (January 7, 2015 at 6:59 pm)watchamadoodle Wrote: I haven't read these links, but they might be a place to start:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studies_on_...ory_prayer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efficacy_of_prayer
As far as I know, all the well-designed experiments have shown a null effect. Of course there are all different types of prayer and maybe someday an experiment will show a positive effect. That hasn't happened yet, so we should assume prayer doesn't work IMO.
Your opinion has no merit, I've seen prayer work time and again, I know you will dismiss it for one reason or the other, but you weren't there so you couldn't know the situation. Let's say for a minute you believed the God of the Bible was real, just saying, do you really think He would allow man to test Him in His goodness?
GC That's a possibility that I've wondered about too.
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RE: Being the subject of a prayer
January 8, 2015 at 1:11 am
They can pray all they want as long as they don't make me do it.
ALL PRAISE THE ONE TRUE GOD ZALGO
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RE: Being the subject of a prayer
January 8, 2015 at 2:25 am
(January 8, 2015 at 1:11 am)Mothonis_Cathicgal Wrote: They can pray all they want as long as they don't make me do it.
Who would make you do it, I wouldn't.
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RE: Being the subject of a prayer
January 8, 2015 at 2:30 am
See GC, secularization works... even on you.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Being the subject of a prayer
January 8, 2015 at 2:47 am
(January 8, 2015 at 12:59 am)watchamadoodle Wrote: (January 8, 2015 at 12:12 am)Godschild Wrote: Your opinion has no merit, I've seen prayer work time and again, I know you will dismiss it for one reason or the other, but you weren't there so you couldn't know the situation. Let's say for a minute you believed the God of the Bible was real, just saying, do you really think He would allow man to test Him in His goodness?
GC That's a possibility that I've wondered about too.
In Matthew 4:7 Jesus tells the devil, "Again it is written,'You shall not put the Lord your God to the test.'"
1st Corinthians 10:9 We must not put Christ to the test, as some of them did were destroyed by serpents.
Acts 5:9 But Peter said to her,"How is it that you have agreed together to test the Spirit of the Lord. This was Ananias and Sapphira who was testing the Holy Spirit.
It doesn't pay to put God to the test, not any part of the trinity. It's clear from these three verses that the Trinity stands as one and the same God.
I've seen part of a church put God to the test and all those that were involved, well let just say they were the only ones to suffer in that church, to many people in to short of a time to be a coincidence.
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RE: Being the subject of a prayer
January 8, 2015 at 3:36 am
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(January 7, 2015 at 9:19 am)JonDarbyXIII Wrote: More often than not, I think prayers are offered in lieu of an otherwise uncomfortable silence. I'm sure we have all been through an instance wherein something bad happens to someone we care about and everything we want to say sounds trite and cliche. (I think prayer is trite and cliche, but somehow it has become society's acceptable version of 'I have nothing to say.') Therefore, assuming that the prayer is due to genuine care (not the condescending nature of 'I'll pray for your flaming soul in the pits of hell, you heathen') I generally just thank people for their thoughts.
However, for those who know me a little better, I usually ask if they will sacrifice a chicken for me as well. After all, I see those as being equally productive.
This post really needs more kudos.
(January 8, 2015 at 12:12 am)Godschild Wrote: Your opinion has no merit, I've seen prayer work time and again [...]
Evidence?
No?
Biiiiiiiiig surprise there, Claude. Your experience is useless in this discussion, because you cannot verify it.
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