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RE: A simple challenge for atheists
January 28, 2015 at 3:35 pm
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(January 28, 2015 at 3:31 pm)SteveII Wrote: (January 28, 2015 at 3:15 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy
From the same article, if someone lived to age 10, then the average increased to 45-47. That means for every age 10-20 death, people were living 70 to 80 years.
That's for Classical Rome, genius. Not the Bronze and Iron Age, where your gospel finds its inception.
And incidentally, 45 is not 70, and I can't believe I need to tell somebody that those are different numbers, but you're grasping at straws so desperately here!
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RE: A simple challenge for atheists
January 28, 2015 at 3:40 pm
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RE: A simple challenge for atheists
January 28, 2015 at 3:41 pm
Median age could also be more useful in helping to understand how long you would live if you made it past, say, your 5th birthday.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
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RE: A simple challenge for atheists
January 28, 2015 at 3:49 pm
(January 28, 2015 at 3:22 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: If the nonsense in the NT gets a pass from you, why not the miracle claims in the Quran, or the Gita, or the Book of Mormon?
How about Star Wars? They could read minds, communicate telepathically, see the future - like me - levitate and throw huge objects, and kill with their thoughts in that.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: A simple challenge for atheists
January 28, 2015 at 4:09 pm
I went back in time and I wrote the bible. This is first hand testimony of authorship, before now the documents were largely anonymous. And I saw everything that happened myself, and wrote what I felt like. Some of it happened, some of it didn't.
I can't possibly provide evidence, because it's done now. I don't have the time machine anymore.
Everyone OK with that? I think this claim is as strong as those about the bible I've seen so far today.
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RE: A simple challenge for atheists
January 28, 2015 at 4:25 pm
To summarize, if you can't impugn the beliefs of the people of the first century who really saw that Jesus was born, brought a radical message of love and redemption, died, and rose again, then you cannot impugn those that hold the same view today. Your objections are all after-the-fact opinions and so have less (or no) weight. When you try to draw parallels with unicorns, Star Wars and your time machine, you are totally missing the point that Christians have the first Christians.
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RE: A simple challenge for atheists
January 28, 2015 at 4:27 pm
You're missing the point. What you or anyone else believes is irrelevant. What you can demonstrate to be true is all that counts.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: A simple challenge for atheists
January 28, 2015 at 4:27 pm
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Did you miss what I just said?
There was no jesus, I made him up. Sorry!
Is my testimony being ignored? :o Is it just your unsubstantiated claims that should be believed?
I'm gonna impugn all the way to the bank.
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RE: A simple challenge for atheists
January 28, 2015 at 4:29 pm
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(January 28, 2015 at 4:25 pm)SteveII Wrote: To summarize, if you can't impugn the beliefs of the people of the first century who really saw that Jesus was born, brought a radical message of love and redemption, died, and rose again,
We're not saying that they didn't believe those things you tiresome dolt. We're saying that they were wrong.
Quote: then you cannot impugn those that hold the same view today.
I can, and I do.
Quote: Your objections are all after-the-fact opinions
Like the entirety of the New Testament and your so called 'evidence'?
Quote: and so have less (or no) weight. When you try to draw parallels with unicorns, Star Wars and your time machine, you are totally missing the point that Christians have the first Christians.
All of those things have the same amount of 'evidence' (besides the fact that star wars at least uses some kinda reasonable science ideas) as your claims about Jesus.
You make the claim, we say we do not accept your claim. Your response is "people really believed it back then, you can't prove them wrong, therefore it's reasonable to believe in my claims".
You have to be able to see the problem with that.
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RE: A simple challenge for atheists
January 28, 2015 at 4:41 pm
(January 27, 2015 at 5:58 pm)Esquilax Wrote: ...you bring up Neanderthal, a species for whom we have a genetic record, which is an objective indicator that it was a separate species from us.
If you look at a side view of both the Neanderthal and modern Australian Aboriginal skulls, you can basically overlay one on top of the other. Do you believe that modern Aboriginals are a separate species?
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