'Drich, which of the millions of different christian denominations goes to Heaven?'

[Drich]

I have been asked this question so many different times in my last two threads I think it should be posted once and for all.

It's real simple.

All canonical Jesus Christ centered religions are good.

Why?

Attonement.

The same attonement that is offered to us when we willfully sin is also offered when we are trying to love God with all of our heart, mind, spirit, and strength.

So this beggs the question who is right? Which version of Christianity is correct? None are. The thing is.. We don't have to be.

So what's the trick? One must have the attonement offered by Christ. According to Paul to his letter to the Galations, this 'gospel' is the canonical/biblical Gospel. All other 'new gospels' are false.

Therefore the only ones that fall under the Christian 'freedom of religion' are those who know and follow the Jesus/gospel found in the canonical scriptures.

What kind of atonement will you perform for wishing cancer upon nonbelievers? And do you think your god will forgive the meanspirited manner you've exhibited as one of his representatives here?

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Yet this sort of ignorant blather is precisely what Christians - even supposedly educated ones, who should know better - say all the time.

[emphasis added -- Parks]

Thankfully from Drich's point of view, he doesn't labor under this handicap.

Cancer can be a gift. It can be the "foxhole" ( for the older members) that helps you save you from Hell.

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@Drich, I thought you mentioned that you believe in predestination?

Maybe predestination isn't relevant to this thread.

Indeed, but I do not see the relevance.

[Davka]

[dyresand]

Well in this day and age no sect of Christianity goes to heaven. Only the original sect that no one remembers is already up there partying and having fun. So while the OG christians are having fun(FUN) there is really no christian nation or laws to abide by.

There is a party going to happen in hell everyone is invited.

[Drich]

[quote='Drich' pid='845162' dateline='1421237369']Not all, but most don't matter. Why? Because our greatest command is to love our lord God with all of our heart, mind, spirit and strength. And because we are all a little different this all encompassing love will play out differently.

That's funny. Yesterday, you had to adhere to "canonical" Christianity to be a True Christian. Now, all you have to do is be sincere in your belief, which was what we were saying all along.

what is really really funny is you had to cut my message short and pretend the second half did not speak to what you said here, just so you could make a pre-defeated point.

Remember we as Christians are free from the law as a means to righteousness because of the attonement Christ died to provide. This means what we are judged on centers around this all encompassing love we are supposed to have and whether or not our actions reflect this kind of love.

The portion of the Sermon I keep hounding you about is very clearly implying that one's willingness to keep and live by the law is a metric by which proves how sincere one is about seeking atonement. That's Christ's way of saying "I want those who walk, not those who talk". He's not demanding total fulfillment, only that you try to the best of your abilities.

I agree so long as "your best" is indeed under the Gospel of Christ Paul references.

You don't try. You think you don't have to try. You talk about canon but ignore entirely what it commands you to do. That's why you're not going to heaven when you die.

"Try not! Do, or do not. There is no try."
But, seriously,
As I pointed out in Romans 7 Paul says we are slaves to our master sin. Paul Himself says he is powerless from resisting "The things he knows he should not do, but does anyway." Arguably Paul is the primary reason we/Gentiles belong to Christianity, and if he could not help Himself from sinning what chance does Joe Shmoe have?

So what is Paul's prescription? Again back to Romans 7 we should see and accept the law, as it is a means to identify the evil still with in us. If we know of and can honestly hate the sin we are in then we must seek the one/attonement that can save us from this sin.

How do we do that? Love for God. It is our love for God that has us walk or want to walk the letter of the law, not as a means to save ourselves or to 'try and earn our righteousness.' But, rather we walk the straight and narrow path, as a token or a expression of love we have for God. The net result is the same, it's just the reason why we do it is different. God (per the rich young ruler) cares less for your actions than he does for where your heart is when you do them.

Let say your sin of choice is getting drunk, and getting rage fully angry. Let's say if you try really really hard you can stay sober 3 weekends out of 4, but ultimately on that 4th weekend you faulter and get consumed by your sin. But in doing so you are absolutly miserable to be around for those three sober weeks. You are short fused and sharp tongued. Now let's say you found some jesus, but your sin of choice and every thing else is the same. (3 weekends out of 4/and your miserable to be around because of it.)

Now according to you, it is your responsibility to just do your best to stop, as part of your salvation prescription to earn your 'wings,' and as to not be a hypocrite.

Just so you know most of christianity thinks this way because this is a very old catholic doctrine that many Protestant religions carried over. Even so it is not biblically correct.

Let's say you had this problem, was married and had a child. Now obviously unless you plan to be in a drunken rage for most of that kids life, you would obviously consider stop drinking in such a way as not to be a miserable cuss the other three weeks as well as the fourth. The question is why would you consider this? Is thier a written rule about fathers and not drinking? Do you not want to look like a hypocrite or a bad parent in front of your friends and family? Do you not want to look like a bad father I front of your child's therapist many years down the road?

-Or do we make major changes for our children in our own lives as an expression of ultimate and pure love for them?

The love we have for God is supposed to trump the love we have for our kids. With that much love, how is it that we are supposed to just try and do better? God is asking for an all out love on fire effort, and you offer three miserable weeks, and one filled with rage, rather than doing everything your heart, mind, spirit, and strength can offer.

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It's like you guys come off an assembly line with the same arguement, the same broken logic and even the same memes to support all of it!


http://atheistforums.org/thread-20532.ht...ht=foxhole

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Or is this just the only pic of atheists on the planet pretending to be in a fox hole!

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Oh, the shenanigans start on page 5 with this:

(27th August 2013 12:37)CleanShavenJesus Wrote:
(26th August 2013 23:31)Drich Wrote:
For the same reason there are no 'atheist' in fox holes (at least while being shot at.) when one is face with the very real threat of death, even if you have doubts, one tends to believe enough to ask for his or her own life whether they will admit it or not.

[Image: atheists_in_foxholes.jpg]

They do not look like they're underfire to me. Or do you not know what a fox hole is? Those guys look like they work 'in the rear with the gear' where people can still afford to deny God. (Note the big High wall behind them and the gate.) Again a base is not a fox hole.

[Alex K]

They do not look like they're underfire to me. Or do you not know what a fox hole is? Those guys look like they work 'in the rear with the gear' where people can still afford to deny God. (Note the big High wall behind them and the gate.) Again a base is not a fox hole.

Wow you presumptuous piece of shit.

I better block your ass before I blow an aneurysm.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Cancer can be a gift. It can be the "foxhole" ( for the older members) that helps you save you from Hell.

You've prayed for people to get fatal, painful, incurable diseases. Do you think your god approves?

This is a simple yes or no question.

[psychoslice]

None of them go to heaven, because there is no heaven, there is only what is here and now, that is your heaven, not some granted pension in the future.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Or is this just the only pic of atheists on the planet pretending to be in a fox hole!

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Oh, the shenanigans start on page 5 with this:

(27th August 2013 12:37)CleanShavenJesus Wrote:
(26th August 2013 23:31)Drich Wrote:
For the same reason there are no 'atheist' in fox holes (at least while being shot at.) when one is face with the very real threat of death, even if you have doubts, one tends to believe enough to ask for his or her own life whether they will admit it or not.

[Image: atheists_in_foxholes.jpg]

They do not look like they're underfire to me. Or do you not know what a fox hole is? Those guys look like they work 'in the rear with the gear' where people can still afford to deny God. (Note the big High wall behind them and the gate.) Again a base is not a fox hole.

What branch of the service were you in? Let's see your 214, with your active duty assignments?

What's that? You weren't in?

Then shut the fuck up. You're not qualified to comment on their duty.

[thesummerqueen]

Cancer can be a gift. It can be the "foxhole" ( for the older members) that helps you save you from Hell.

You are fucking appalling - as is your religion, and your idea of god.

[FatAndFaithless]

Oh, is Drich spamming the laughing smiley again? Even after the thread where he asked for feedback on how to be less of a gargantuant twat?