'Drich, which of the millions of different christian denominations goes to Heaven?'

[Creed of Heresy]

Afterwards he returned to 7th SFG(A), and between 2006-2009 LTC Greata was a Plans Officer, Company Commander, Battalion S3, and Group S3 / Combined Joint Special Operations Task Force-Afghanistan Deputy Operations Officer. In these positions he was primarily responsible for planning, training, and executing Battalion and Group combat deployments to Afghanistan.

OK, for one thing, it was calling him an LTC when he graduated from military academy, which means they are referring to his PRESENT rank, and not his rank at the time. It lists his positions as Plans -> Company -> Battalion -> Group. You wanna know why? Because that is the route of promotions he went through. From Plans (typically an XO position of 1st Lt.) to Company (Captain) to Battalion (LTC) to Group (LTC with additional security clearance and special duties, typical of officers working SOG). It stated he graduated from MA in 1994. You don't become an LTC right out of academy. Highest rank you will be when you leave is a 1st Lt. and far more often cadets leave as 2nd Lt. It takes ~15 years of service overall before you are eligible to become an LTC. Meaning he couldn't have become an LTC until 2009. Meaning he couldn't have been an LTC and a company commander, you fucking idiot. In 1999 he was a company XO; a 1st Lt. By 2006, he would've been A CAPTAIN. A COMPANY RANK. By 2009, he would've achieved his rank as an O-5, A BATTALION COMMANDER. It lists his responsibilities of command chronologically.

Where are you guys getting this? Where did I say chaplains come out in fire fights?

not one of the men in his company refused the chaplain when they were under fire.

Getting twisted all up in your lies that you're forgetting when you made 'em, eh?

[Thumpalumpacus]

I also know of the Contempt frontline troops have for rear echelon guys pretending to be in harms way. It is for the love and respect I have for my family and what was given to this country that I carry this contempt as well.

You, who didn't enlist because it would [allegedly] have to have been as a combat infantryman rather than as a support troop, have contempt for support troops?

Right, fuck off.

I wasn't a combat troop. I was in the rear with the gear where my dumb ass belonged. But firefighting duty is always dangerous, especially on an air base. I've buried a brother firefighter. I have a keen understanding of how dangerous it can be. Was I a hero? Hell, no.

But this childishly naive idea you have that only frontline infantry risk their lives for their country is simply more evidence that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, and you don't know how to shut the fuck up when you're in over your head.

The idea of you being contemptuous of anyone who has sworn the oath is laughable. You've been reading too much Soldier of Fortune.

[Drich]

Afterwards he returned to 7th SFG(A), and between 2006-2009 LTC Greata was a Plans Officer, Company Commander, Battalion S3, and Group S3 / Combined Joint Special Operations Task Force-Afghanistan Deputy Operations Officer. In these positions he was primarily responsible for planning, training, and executing Battalion and Group combat deployments to Afghanistan.

OK, for one thing, it was calling him an LTC when he graduated from military academy, which means they are referring to his PRESENT rank, and not his rank at the time. It lists his positions as Plans -> Company -> Battalion -> Group. You wanna know why? Because that is the route of promotions he went through. From Plans (typically an XO position of 1st Lt.) to Company (Captain) to Battalion (LTC) to Group (LTC with additional security clearance and special duties, typical of officers working SOG). It stated he graduated from MA in 1994. You don't become an LTC right out of academy. Highest rank you will be when you leave is a 1st Lt. and far more often cadets leave as 2nd Lt. It takes ~15 years of service overall before you are eligible to become an LTC. Meaning he couldn't have become an LTC until 2009. Meaning he couldn't have been an LTC and a company commander, you fucking idiot. In 1999 he was a company XO; a 1st Lt. By 2006, he would've been A CAPTAIN. A COMPANY RANK. By 2009, he would've achieved his rank as an O-5, A BATTALION COMMANDER. It lists his responsibilities of command chronologically.

Where are you guys getting this? Where did I say chaplains come out in fire fights?

not one of the men in his company refused the chaplain when they were under fire.

Getting twisted all up in your lies that you're forgetting when you made 'em, eh?

I noticed you had to cut my quote out of context, any particular reason for that? is your arguement so weak you have to build straw men?

If you were to put that phrase back into the orginal context the highlighted portion would mean to be under pressure. because in the portion you cut out told of the context in which I considered them to be under 'fire'/pressure.

As far as the rest, it looks impressive, but without offical documentation to back it up, 'your antidote doesn't cancel out mine.' I'm not saying what you said isnt how it is. I am simply pointing out that like me, youre expecting everyone to go off what your word, rather than documented fact.. The same word that takes quotes out of context and builds arguements around them.

Again I have already stated that I may be wrong about times or titles, but the core of what I said is the absolute truth. So like it or not sport you can act like a wounded warrior all you like, but in the end your efforts aren't anymore 'legit' than my own in this place. You are whomever you say you are, unless someone else knows better. All you've done so far is prove that I dont have a complete understanding of the rank and file of the Army rangers IF what you say is true. That coupled with an unfounded Ad hoc attack may win you some points with those looking for a reason to hate me.. Or it may not.

Eitherway it speaks volumes to your character.

[Ryantology]

what does sincerity have to do with following the law?
You've made that assertion several times now. Even after the fact that i point back to Mat 5:19 that tells us to obey every command in the law no matter how small. Which again includes the commands for attonement. (Here's the key you seem to be missing) Then in verse 20 Christ tells us our righteousness must exceed that of the pharrisees. The Pharrisees followed the law to the letter otherwise they would be expelled from the priesthood. So right their we know that following the law does not have to mean one is sincere about it. How do we know this? Because of all the rebukes Christ made concerning the Pharrisees 'following the law to the letter but disregaurding the spirit of the law.' Which is also why He says what he says in verse 20 about one having to exceed the righteousness of the pharrisees to enter Heaven. To the OT Jew of the day, one could not phathom how to exceed the righteousness of the Pharrisees as they could afford to live by every aspect of the law.. Which is also why Christ extended the law to include what is in one's heart. (because they lived by the law on the outside but their sincerity was not with the spirit of the law.)

You think "following the law doesn't mean you're sincere about it". Of course it doesn't. You can follow the law to the letter and not be sincere about atonement.

That has never been my argument, which is, if you refuse to follow the law, if you don't feel as if you don't have to avoid sin, you obviously can't be sincere about atoning for your sins. That's what you're doing, buddy.

Again, I have biblically demonstrated that sincereity has nothing to do with following the law. Sincereity has to do with admitting one is a sinner with no hope of ever earning righteousness by the law and earnestly repenting and seeking attonement through Jesus.

You're not sincere in your admission that you're a sinner if you think you don't have to live by the rules of sin. Why is that such a hard concept for you to... oh, wait, you have skin in this game. Right.

Of course, when we have you saying that "true Christians" live according to "canon", when you dismiss the heartfelt beliefs and desire for salvation that any serious Christian holds because they don't hold to the laws you actually do bother to recognize, you are the Pharissee, living by the letter of the Bible and ignoring what it is actually telling you to do. Why you think you have righteousness beyond anything baffles me. You're exactly the sort of false prophet who is really a vicious wolf, coming here, purporting to have "biblical answers", but your strong desire to lead people away from Jesus' words kind of makes you look like Satan's mouthpiece.

[Roxy904]

Drich;
Let's see if you're really a true follower, by Jesus' own standards:

Luke 14:33
Any of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be my disciple.

Matthew 19:21-24
Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth. Then Jesus said to his disciples, "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

Matthews 19: 28-29
Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life.

[Drich]

I also know of the Contempt frontline troops have for rear echelon guys pretending to be in harms way. It is for the love and respect I have for my family and what was given to this country that I carry this contempt as well.

You, who chose not to enlist because of economic reasons, have contempt for someone who served simply because they weren't combat troops?

Right, fuck off.

I wasn't a combat troop. I was in the rear with the gear where my dumb ass belonged. But firefighting duty is always dangerous, especially on an air base. I've buried a brother firefighter. I have a keen understanding of how dangerous it can be. Was I a hero? Hell, no.

But this childishly naive idea you have that only frontline infantry risk their lives for their country is simply more evidence that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, and you don't know how to shut the fuck up when you're in over your head.

The idea of you being contemptuous of anyone who has sworn the oath is laughable. You've been reading too much Soldier of Fortune.

I'm a Christian in an Atheist forum, at what point in your opinion do you think I am not up to my neck or even orver my head with sharks in the water?

This issue is absolutly no different to me than any other theological issue I have been dealing with here. I am trying to share a view supported by the truth of my life's experience with my military family, and with what they have told me over the years.

It just so happens to be A view that a few of you find offensive and unpopular.. So what? why should I back away? Because one or two of you think I'm full of crap? Again, So what? On any given theological subject everyone thinks I'm full of crap. So how is this any different than anyother subject? How can I keep going in the face of opposition? BECAUSE I SPEAK THE TRUTH, in both instances and I do not fear it or shy away from it.

As Creed has pointed out I MAY not have my facts as staight with military matters as I do with a theological discussion, but so what? I am not a "soldier of fortune subscriber," nor do I live breath and eat military stuff like I do with Christianity. Does it some how mean My family who served didn't?

That I should cower in shame because i can't provide you with an exact bio of their service? Or should i remain silent because one or two of you think my family can't have served this country that way!?!?

F-U two if that is the case!

There are a few of you who dont' think I'm half korean, There are a few who don't think my wife ever had a drug problem, there are a few who don't think I own my own business, a few who don't think I didn't grow up in the church, A few who doubt the health issues I have had/having, a few more who don't think I found God... But, again so what! should I sit in silence everytime one of you can't accept what i have said?

Despite what you all may think, I don't just randomly make crap up. alot of the stuff I've shared here I've shared across the board in the various forums I have been apart of. Why? Because again it is the truth. These are the evidences that in my life (for me) have all help establish who God is, and that God has indeed carried me through the good times as well as the Bad. If my life was as empty of these extremes then I might still be an atheist. But it is not, and I am simply trying to be faith to what I have experienced, and why I believe I have survived/thrived to this point.

Know that If you creed or anyone else doesn't like what I say here then take to heart the 'freedom of speech' you all fought for, also means no one is making you be apart of one of my threads, (or you can hate from the side lines all you like.) Eitherway I will not be intimidated into silence by you creed or anyone else! Because if you really did do what you said you did, then I should be the last one to tell you that others did and gave a whole lot more than either one of us did, just give us the right to have this conversation. and, I will be damned if I will let some douche bag take it from me! So forgive me if i don't yeild to your call to silence because of your doubts about my family or anything else I choose to speak on.

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Drich;
Let's see if you're really a true follower, by Jesus' own standards:

Luke 14:33
Any of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be my disciple.

Matthew 19:21-24
Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth. Then Jesus said to his disciples, "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

Matthews 19: 28-29
Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life.

Yes, several times. Each time God gave back 10xtimes what I sowen.

[Davka]

You, who chose not to enlist because of economic reasons, have contempt for someone who served simply because they weren't combat troops?

Right, fuck off.

I wasn't a combat troop. I was in the rear with the gear where my dumb ass belonged. But firefighting duty is always dangerous, especially on an air base. I've buried a brother firefighter. I have a keen understanding of how dangerous it can be. Was I a hero? Hell, no.

But this childishly naive idea you have that only frontline infantry risk their lives for their country is simply more evidence that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, and you don't know how to shut the fuck up when you're in over your head.

The idea of you being contemptuous of anyone who has sworn the oath is laughable. You've been reading too much Soldier of Fortune.

I'm a Christian in an Atheist forum, at what point in your opinion do you think I am not up to my neck or even orver my head with sharks in the water?

Dude, I'm in awe of your bravery. You might end up with repetitive motion injury, possibly even get a paper cut!

[Roxy904]

Wow, I thought they were just exaggerating when they said you couldn't read.

"Any of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be my disciple."

Clearly you have not given up everything you have, as you are reading this.
Guess you're not a real Christian after all...

[dyresand]

Wow, I thought they were just exaggerating when they said you couldn't read.

"Any of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be my disciple."

Clearly you have not given up everything you have, as you are reading this.
Guess you're not a real Christian after all...

True christians give up all worldly possessions.

[Roxy904]

Neither have you left houses or families to be a true follower of Christ.
Did you read the quotes?
Can you read beyond "Holy sweet baby Jesus"?