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RE: New Atheist, depressed, and wondering how to cope with reality.
January 15, 2015 at 9:56 pm (This post was last modified: January 15, 2015 at 9:57 pm by Roxy904.)
My first experience with atheism, I tried to fight it too and even did research to try and fight it. Of course, this inevitably led to me become more educated, and to become agnostic. I understand a bit how you feel; and I've actually seen all of the youtubers you've mentioned, plus a couple more. Honestly, I think that if I hadn't deconverted, I would just feel idiotic, and always constantly doubting. I think people need to just accept that no one knows everything, and if you're always scared about what will happen next, that means you can't enjoy what's happening now.
RE: New Atheist, depressed, and wondering how to cope with reality.
January 18, 2015 at 12:33 pm
To chang a mind is difficult when this mind is important in life. So much questions, but no answers.
There is no answers. In one way, when you loose your religion, you loose every wrong certainty. It is the way to freedom. You must find new answers and a new point of vue about life but keep on having a good look on you.
But what is so difficult for you isn't the fact that you have lost your religion. What is difficult for you is your social isolation that is the result of your choice. To find new friends like you is a good thing.
It s not a shame to be what you are. Parents must love their children eventhough they are not as religious as they are....
The kindness you believed coming from god, must now come from yourself.
If God is the answer to your question, it means that you have asked the wrong question.
A good question always ask how never why.
RE: New Atheist, depressed, and wondering how to cope with reality.
January 23, 2015 at 12:31 pm
(January 14, 2015 at 3:36 pm)IanHulett Wrote: Hey guys. I ended up deconverting from Christianity, and am now a Christian Atheist. So, now instead of seeing Jesus as the savior and son of God, I see him as a teacher of good morals and reject the existence of a God or Gods in the absence of evidence. But unlike a lot of people on YouTube, I will not claim to know that there is no God, I will only be in the position that I don't see evidence to back up the claim that he is real and so I cannot know for a fact that one exists, so I will reject the claim unless evidence is provided.
I've been fighting the deconversion process ever since I've started watching MrRepzion, TheAmazingAtheist, The Drunken Peasants, Thunderf00t, etc. The youtube atheist channels are the reason I ended up becoming an atheist. I fought hard to try and keep my faith, but in the end, I guess Science always wins no matter how hard you fight. This was the video that dealt the fatal blow:
My only problem, is now my dreams of wanting to become a Christian Singer Songwriter are shattered, I now believe that when my family passes, that's it. I'll never see them again, I'm too afraid to come out to my mother as an Atheist because none of my siblings ended up remaining Christian and I was her only success story, and I don't want to break her heart, and I worry my Christian girlfriend will be forced by her parents to break up with me, or she'll break up with me herself.
So, here I am, new atheist, depressed, trapped and now asking, how do you cope with all this? Thanks a bunch.
A Christian / Atheist it would seem , is an oxymoron isn't it ? I don't think you can believe Jesus was just a nice fella who walked some pristine beaches giving good teachings . He certainly claimed to be more than that. So, I think youd have to call him a big fat Liar wouldn't you ?
From the description of yourself, you sound more like an agnostic / skeptic than an atheist .
RE: New Atheist, depressed, and wondering how to cope with reality.
January 23, 2015 at 12:41 pm
(January 23, 2015 at 12:31 pm)Former Humanist Wrote: He certainly claimed to be more than that.
Care to back that up with some scripture?
"There remain four irreducible objections to religious faith: that it wholly misrepresents the origins of man and the cosmos, that because of this original error it manages to combine the maximum servility with the maximum of solipsism, that it is both the result and the cause of dangerous sexual repression, and that it is ultimately grounded on wish-thinking." ~Christopher Hitchens, god is not Great
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RE: New Atheist, depressed, and wondering how to cope with reality.
January 23, 2015 at 12:56 pm
(January 23, 2015 at 12:41 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote:
(January 23, 2015 at 12:31 pm)Former Humanist Wrote: He certainly claimed to be more than that.
Care to back that up with some scripture?
The scripture where he verbally claimed to be : The Great I Am , the Bread that came down from Heaven , The Son of God , and I and the Father are One.
I guess One can believe Jesus as a good Teacher who was a Traveller from town to town...but, he rubbed people up the wrong way with some of his controversial claims about himself. So, it seems a Person either has to believe in ALL of him, or essentially, he is a Liar on some things. Wouldn't you say so ?
RE: New Atheist, depressed, and wondering how to cope with reality.
January 23, 2015 at 1:11 pm
Where is this scripture? Chapter and verse, please?
"There remain four irreducible objections to religious faith: that it wholly misrepresents the origins of man and the cosmos, that because of this original error it manages to combine the maximum servility with the maximum of solipsism, that it is both the result and the cause of dangerous sexual repression, and that it is ultimately grounded on wish-thinking." ~Christopher Hitchens, god is not Great
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RE: New Atheist, depressed, and wondering how to cope with reality.
January 23, 2015 at 1:14 pm (This post was last modified: January 23, 2015 at 1:20 pm by h4ym4n.)
(January 14, 2015 at 10:28 pm)goodwithoutgod Wrote:
(January 14, 2015 at 3:36 pm)IanHulett Wrote: Hey guys. I ended up deconverting from Christianity, and am now a Christian Atheist. So, now instead of seeing Jesus as the savior and son of God, I see him as a teacher of good morals and reject the existence of a God or Gods in the absence of evidence. But unlike a lot of people on YouTube, I will not claim to know that there is no God, I will only be in the position that I don't see evidence to back up the claim that he is real and so I cannot know for a fact that one exists, so I will reject the claim unless evidence is provided.
I've been fighting the deconversion process ever since I've started watching MrRepzion, TheAmazingAtheist, The Drunken Peasants, Thunderf00t, etc. The youtube atheist channels are the reason I ended up becoming an atheist. I fought hard to try and keep my faith, but in the end, I guess Science always wins no matter how hard you fight. This was the video that dealt the fatal blow:
My only problem, is now my dreams of wanting to become a Christian Singer Songwriter are shattered, I now believe that when my family passes, that's it. I'll never see them again, I'm too afraid to come out to my mother as an Atheist because none of my siblings ended up remaining Christian and I was her only success story, and I don't want to break her heart, and I worry my Christian girlfriend will be forced by her parents to break up with me, or she'll break up with me herself.
So, here I am, new atheist, depressed, trapped and now asking, how do you cope with all this? Thanks a bunch.
Several things I would like to offer...
1) You are not alone, many who deconvert from christiainty have feelings of being lost, their worldview shattered, and to deal with that takes time, education, and support. I have a book in my library that I think you would connect with. It is Godless by Dan Barker. It is a story of how an evangelical preacher and christian songwriter who after being completely immersed in christianity for over 19 years, became atheist. His story is powerful, and he speaks about the journey of coming to grips with his years "misspent serving god". it was not an expensive book, check amazon.
2) Faith: realize you were given faulty tools in which to use to comprehend the real world around you.
Faith IS the delusion, belief without evidence. Faith is pretending to know things that you dont know. To say "I have faith in god" really means "I pretend to know things I don't know about god". It is impossible to figure out which claims about the world are incorrect if the tool one uses is faith. As a tool, as an epistemology, as a method of reasoning, as a process for knowing the world, faith cannot adjudicate between competing claims. The ONLY way to figure out which claims about the world are likely true, and which are likely false, is through reason and evidence. There is no other way.
3) I cannot disprove a god existing, I do feel confident I can disprove the abrahamic myth based christian god existing, or at least state the probability of him existing is so slight it is inconsequential, because knowledge of that god is derived from the bible, and the bible can be dismantled like a stack of dominoes, something I have spent many years doing successfully.
4) Jesus: one of my biggest reasons from turning away from christianity is upon researching, and taking every theology class offered by saint leo university, I learned that not only is there zero evidence for jesus, outside of interpolations and pseudepigrapha, but no one who EVER wrote of him, knew him...and the inconvenient fact that the gospels, which were not written by whom most uneducated in biblical historicity christians think, or when they think. Not paul, who also never met jesus, outside of his alleged hallucination of a light and a voice on the road to damascus...and none of the christian or contemporary authors who wrote about him...no one who ever wrote down a word about jesus, knew him, all based on the oral retelling of the oral retelling of the oral retelling of a story someone told another of an amazing thing he heard about this guy named jesus that happened 60-110 years ago depending on which gospel you are referring to.
When you realize the plethora of literate historians who resided in the area and time of jesus, who never mention this miracle performing son of god, and how no one AT THE TIME of said miracles thought that things like the world going dark from 3-6 pm upon his death, and corpses bursting out of the ground and walking around town was noteworthy enough to write down.
So strengthen your newfound freedom from the subjugative weight of the church with the knowledge that it is all a fabrication, sold on fear, and fear is good business in america..believe in jesus or spend an eternity in hell. Interesting thing in regards to hell.,
Source is Reason, Faith and Tradition by Martin C. Albl, Chapter 7 page 188 – describing hell.
"We begin with a reminder of limitations of our language. Since hell, according to Christian doctrine, is a supernatural reality, it can only be described in analogies. Holy Scripture teaches us the essence of hell in images. When it speaks of the fire of hell, it is not to be understood in a grossly realistic sense. The images of fire and pain were ways of expressing the essential Christian understanding of hell – that it is a separation from God. We may define heaven as simply being with God, and hell, in contrast, is simply being without God. It is thus an existence without goodness and without meaning."
and since it is a fabrication, and based on the three Fs of christiainty,; Fiction, Forgery, and Fantasy, you can feel guilt free walking away from it. Religion is the greatest pyramid scheme ever perpetrated upon mankind, money goes up, nothing of intrinsic value comes down. You just successfully extracted yourself from a brain washing cult that exploits fear to control you. feel good about that, you are now smarter then billions of people.
(January 14, 2015 at 9:52 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Keeping one's faith is need not be a struggle. Maybe, just maybe, the way to Christ with which you were presented was not the right approach for you.
interesting, lets review.
Faith - the belief in something without evidence.
Delusion: an idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality or rational argument, typically a symptom of mental disorder. A belief held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary.
Religion - The embracement of delusion.
How exactly is one properly presented with the myth of jesus the christ?
Since there exists ZERO evidence for jesus.
No one who EVER wrote of jesus knew him.
No one who lived at the time of the alleged miracles like the world going dark from 3-6 pm upon his death or the zombie invasion thought these events were worth recording....
Who is this jesus again?
Matthew 27:45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.
Mark 15:33 And when the sixth hour was come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour.
Luke 23:44-48 And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour.
Unfortunately for believers, there is not one shred of evidence that this happened...zero, all of the royal scribes, historians, philosophers, and literate people who wrote down and recorded EVERYTHING of any significance, failed to note the whole earth going dark mid-day for three hours...an eclipse lasts about 7.5 min max, so it wasn’t that, and there were two renowned historians who recorded each and every eclipse, as well as any other astronomical oddity....nothing, .....zero. Never happened.
Matthew 27:51-53
King James Version (KJV)
51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
A thinking person would presume these amazing events would have been recorded, written down by royal scribes, historians...someone...nope, 60-110 years later someone decided this myth they heard that sounds more fantastic then the bigfoot story was worth writing down. In fact, more evidence exists for bigfoot then jesus. I wonder why theists don't believe in bigfoot?
“my belief is based on very strong and credible direct testimony from reliable eyewitnesses” .... mmm, wait, no actually it's not. What you mean to say is My belief is based on the copies of the translations of the copies of the translations of the copies of the oral retelling of the oral retelling of the oral retelling of the oral retelling of the oral retelling of a tale that may or may not have been originally told by apostles who may or may not actually have ever existed and may or may not have witnessed the events and may or may not have told them accurately"
Why is it that you believe claims which have overwhelming, almost conclusive, evidence against them and very weak circumstantial historical evidence for them, but you don't believe claims which have only somewhat strong evidence against them, and confirmed eyewitness testimony of interviewable witnesses as evidence for them?
For example, why don't you believe in bigfoot?
Unlike the resurrection, which violates absolutely everything we know about almost every branch of science, the existence of bigfoot doesn't violate the laws of physics, doesn't violate the laws of chemistry, it just seems to violate some of what we know about biology. Furthermore, unlike the resurrection, which is supported by the copy of the translation of the copy of the translation of multiple layers of verbal hearsay by anonymous sources, the existence of bigfoot is supported by direct eyewitnesses alive today, with names, addresses, social security numbers, etc. You yourself can go and interview a bigfoot expert who has seen bigfoot multiple times, and he will share the first hand eyewitness testimony with you directly.
It seems that if you were in the business of believing unlikely stuff and were gonna be consistent rather than biased, there are loads of claims which, though unlikely, are several orders of magnitude more probable than a 30AD flying corpse…like bigfoot.
and good luck
