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RE: Pope Opens Mouth; Inserts Foot
January 15, 2015 at 4:21 pm
(January 15, 2015 at 3:39 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Oh Francis. You fumbled the ball. You can't have free speech without insulting somebody. Especially extremists, who tend to go off at the drop of a hat.
Yep. They don't want to hear any free speech that isn't theirs.
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RE: Pope Opens Mouth; Inserts Foot
January 15, 2015 at 4:24 pm
Quote:If you look up Dagon the fish god, you will see where the pope got his headgear from.
Jesus is as fucking stupid as Dagon, prof.
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RE: Pope Opens Mouth; Inserts Foot
January 15, 2015 at 4:25 pm
(January 15, 2015 at 3:21 pm)JesusHChrist Wrote: So many people, including secularists praise Pope Francis for being "reasonable" and in touch with the times.
And then we get this:
http://news.yahoo.com/pope-says-cannot-i...45221.html
Quote:But the 78-year-old pontiff also said "each religion has its dignity" and "there are limits".
"You cannot provoke, you cannot insult other people's faith, you cannot mock it," the pontiff said.
"Freedom of speech is a right and a duty that must be displayed without offending."
This from the leader of the organization who bandied about words such as blasphemer, heretic, spawn of Satan and who knows what else over the centuries. Guess what jackass, we'll continue to insult your worldwide criminal enterprise any time we wish.
I don't think this latest Papal utterance is going to help him on the PR front.
Why are the religious so afraid of mockery and verbal insults? Can't their god do something about it? I'm guessing they don't like it because it is working to make them look like fools.
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RE: Pope Opens Mouth; Inserts Foot
January 15, 2015 at 6:08 pm
(January 15, 2015 at 3:38 pm)Alex K Wrote: Is this anything but an exploitation of a recent tragedy for some cheap points against church critics? That makes it particularly despicable.
The topic is hot at the moment, and people are interested in the reasoning of theism. I've seen a video of a comedian having the offense explained to him. He saw the point and changed.
There's a lot of distasteful, in my opinion, pressure from secularists to assert their identity over everyone elses.
I think is an interesting discussion. Interesting to hear the opinion of Muslims. Interesting the discussions on freedom of speech and incitement.
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RE: Pope Opens Mouth; Inserts Foot
January 15, 2015 at 6:28 pm
You can't have freedom of speech and then put conditions on it.
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RE: Pope Opens Mouth; Inserts Foot
January 15, 2015 at 6:32 pm
(This post was last modified: January 15, 2015 at 6:33 pm by fr0d0.)
No one is putting any conditions on it. I'm certainly not proposing that. I doubt that the Pope is. I've heard his words quoted both ways. I think the fuller transcript is revealing.
You are free to say what you want. If you insult a person then you have to expect repercussions. People are banned from these forums all of the time purely on the things that they have said. Are their freedoms compromised?
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RE: Pope Opens Mouth; Inserts Foot
January 15, 2015 at 6:33 pm
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(January 15, 2015 at 6:32 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: You are free to say what you want. If you insult a person then you have to expect repercussions. People are banned from these forums all of the time purely on the things that they have said. Are their freedoms compromised?
Would you prefer we shot them in the face instead? I like to think there's a pretty important distinction between what sort of repercussions are reasonable to expect (or defend).
I like this pope better than those who came before him, but he's still just a pope.
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RE: Pope Opens Mouth; Inserts Foot
January 15, 2015 at 6:36 pm
(This post was last modified: January 15, 2015 at 6:37 pm by fr0d0.)
We're not talking about violence Ryan, but freedom of speech. For instance, your comment there is pretty inflammatory. I defend your right to say it. I also support your censorship if you overstep the mark. Do you support this forums censorship?
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RE: Pope Opens Mouth; Inserts Foot
January 15, 2015 at 6:46 pm
(January 15, 2015 at 6:36 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: We're not talking about violence Ryan, but freedom of speech. For instance, your comment there is pretty inflammatory. I defend your right to say it. I also support your censorship if you overstep the mark. Do you support this forums censorship?
The pope shouldn't be talking about freedom of speech. Him saying no one should criticize someones faith that was really dumb of him.
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RE: Pope Opens Mouth; Inserts Foot
January 15, 2015 at 6:46 pm
(January 15, 2015 at 6:36 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: We're not talking about violence Ryan, but freedom of speech. For instance, your comment there is pretty inflammatory. I defend tour right to say it. I also support your censorship if you overstep the mark. Do you support this forums censorship?
I think there is also a distinction to be drawn regarding what it is we censor. If you look at our rules list, you'll note that, with a few exceptions, such as malware or pornography, we don't censor content. Certainly, we don't edit posts to redact anything, and we don't punish people simply because they say something objectionable or insulting.
We do censor behavior that is disruptive or malicious, but you can say just about anything you want, as long as you do it in the proper manner.
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